Sport and doping.

[gozpel]

It's quite pathetic to see how athletes around the world try and try again to "win" a piece of metal or whatever, by methodes like doping or use other performance-enhancing drugs. Or they try to use substances that mask other forms of doping.

However, the rules in different countries seem to be varied, when a person gets life-ban for a violation and somewhere else a similar "sportsman" gets a slap on fingers for the same offense.

Other things that confuses me is, when an athlete use for instance an asthma-medicine and have used it for years and then WADA and other organisations ban something and the person get penalized without warning.

Then we have the people that "shoot them up" with vitamins. They actually use hypodermics to shoot themselves up with vitamins and minerals.

Natural medicine stuff and herbs are being considered by the big hoodoo's right now.

Stereoids, blood-doping and so on, where do we set the line?

The recent headlines was about the 2 Greek sprinters, avoiding drugtests and then stepped out. Why would anyone do that to his/hers country? Why would they do that in their own Olympics? I can only think they are complete idiots.

I'm actually thinking 2 Olympics would be alright, one for the clean people and one for the buffs.

What's your say?

 

[WildFire]

It's quite pathetic to see how athletes around the world try and try again to "win" a piece of metal or whatever, by methodes like doping or use other performance-enhancing drugs. Or they try to use substances that mask other forms of doping.

I understand you're trying get us to see that winning a piece of metal by doping isn't worth it but to me it reads as if you don't see the point in trying to win it AT ALL.

 

[gozpel]

I understand you're trying get us to see that winning a piece of metal by doping isn't worth it but to me it reads as if you don't see the point in trying to win it AT ALL.

Sorry if I confused you WildFire, you're usually pretty perceptive.

Of course we all want to win, but not by "ROP-rape" or other funny ways.

I understand the deal with WC's and Olympics is to get first and I endorse that. Let the best man win, but by fair play.

Otherwise we might just as well use the 2 Olympics, WC's and so on for all contests.

Give us an opinion WildFire,instead of nit-picking

 

[samildanach]

It seems to me that the IOC is too patronising. I remember the Ben johnson run - which was absolutely fantastic. Why stop people from performing like that for my amusement? What does it matter if they collapse and die the moment the Olympics is over. So long as they were entertaining it is all good.

It is quite obvious to me that a lot of people are cheating but that they are just one step ahead of the testers and this will always be the case. So why not let everyone cheat?

I actually was a guinea pig for a friend who was doing some of the first physiological experiments on a truncated form of a hormone which is only expressed for short period during childhood. It is related to some current performance enhancing drugs but much more specific and powerful. It was a double blind trial but I knew the next morning I was on it - I felt like a GOD!

It was even better than that though. Do you remember that feeling when you were a kid where everything seemed new? - you get that back!!

Of course, because of its medical uses and its obvious use as a recreational drug by scientists and medics , none of it as far as i'm aware is finding its way to athletes although it would make a brilliant performance enhancer. I'm sure others are though - the IOC doesn't test for the one I mentioned even though now it is 3-4 years old.

If you think the athletes who are winning golds at these olympics are clean......dream on. I feel sorry for the people who are clean and are competing fairly because they are putting their faith in IOC testing which is only catching the athletes with stupid coaches and is basically failing them.
Also, bizarrely I feel sorry for the athletes that are caught. Mainly because they are being scapegoated to promote an image of athletics being clean. It ain't clean - testing for obsolescent drugs is only going to catch the competitiors with sloppy coaches.

 

[Hitro]

It is quite obvious to me that a lot of people are cheating but that they are just one step ahead of the testers and this will always be the case. So why not let everyone cheat?

I tend to agree with that, at least it would be fair. And society's going down the drain anyway.

 

[Atlas14]

Quote:
Originally Posted by samildanach
It is quite obvious to me that a lot of people are cheating but that they are just one step ahead of the testers and this will always be the case. So why not let everyone cheat?


I tend to agree with that, at least it would be fair. And society's going down the drain anyway.

I disagree. The Olympics are about who is the best in whatever event/sport, not about who can use the best performance enhancers. It is better to see people actually getting caught so that it will hopefully embarrass them for life. I say down with the cheaters. What is the honor in winning an Olympic medal if you've used drugs, that takes all of the meaning and honor out of it.

 

[Thadlerian]

I imagine future Olympics will be something like this:
Everybody is drugged, and their drug type is published, and the various drugs are bing commented and described, and commentors go through the history of each particular drug. Instead of being sponsored by shoe brands, etc, they are by pharmaceutical corporations. The winner would be a great advertisment for the "best" pharmacorp.

 

[Hitro]

I imagine future Olympics will be something like this:
Everybody is drugged, and their drug type is published, and the various drugs are bing commented and described, and commentors go through the history of each particular drug. Instead of being sponsored by shoe brands, etc, they are by pharmaceutical corporations. The winner would be a great advertisment for the "best" pharmacorp.

Precisely. Nobody objects if they use other means to enhance their performance, like better equipment, strange borderline-doping nutrition "advances" and so on...

 

[Pikachu]

It's quite pathetic to see how athletes around the world try and try again to "win" a piece of metal or whatever, by methodes like doping or use other performance-enhancing drugs.

It’s not just a piece of metal they try to win. They also try to get a title that will make the organizers of other competitions around the world pay big money to have them participate. In many sports an Olympic gold medal gives the opportunity to make a lot of easy money.

 

[Double Barrel]

If they ain't cheating, they aren't trying!

 

[andrewgprv]

These Olympians spend years/decades devoting themselves to something where success is decided in less then a minute. You can see 10 years of devotion lost because someone else is doped up and you are not. I agree with others that most of the medal winners are probably doped up anyway, they are just a step ahead of the tests. I think fighting performance enhancing drugs (and soon to be genes) is like fighting the tide. We might as well just have the technology of doping a part of olympics.

 

[Neomega]

I got disenfranchised with professional sports long, long ago. It seems one day I realized that sports were all about money and little else.

I am sure American Professional sports are full of steroids... more so now than ever.

 

[ainwood]

However, the rules in different countries seem to be varied, when a person gets life-ban for a violation and somewhere else a similar "sportsman" gets a slap on fingers for the same offense.

Exactly. It should be up to the international bodies to set the punishments, not the nations' bodies.

 

[thestonesfan]

A sticky issue. One easily solved by not giving a crap about stupid little physical contests between men in spandex.

 

[Gelion]

Have you guys even considered a thought that someone may slip something into the winners drink for example to disqualify him/her? No flaming please, just a thought.

 

[Phasmida]

The reasoning most atheletes employ when they make the decision to "dope" up, is that everyone else is doing it, and by not doing it they lose the ability to stay competitive. With the new methods emerging, it will be impossible to tell who is doping and who isn't, because the IOC is only allowed to test through blood or urine, and newer methods don't show up on blood or urine analysis.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Moderator Action: Moved to Sports.

 

[Detlef Richter]

I think the sportsman stay under big pressure from many sides (public, media, money, sponsors, trainers etc....). This could be a reason for the decision to dope. But i'am defnetly against it. No one or all. And if all, then we have to rename it, like 'pharmalympics'.