Strategic Resources from City States

[PresidentMike]

Can you import strategic resources from city states you're suzerain with? The Civilopedia suggests that you can, but I don't have access to the coal of a city state that I've established as a suzerain (there is already a mine on the coal resource). Is this a bug? Am I missing something? Thanks.

 

[TheXMassTeam]

Hi, I check in my current game, It seems bugged. If you check the bonuses for suzerain, the last line show you what resources you get, but if you check the resources detail's panel you don't get them. Even when you are neighbour and have a trade road. So, unless you get them without knowing it, it's a bug.

 

[Browd]

Please post save files showing this. Thanks.

Moderator Action: Moved to Bug Reports forum.

 

[cephalo]

I got iron that way once, so I know it works sometimes.

 

[TheXMassTeam]

Please post save files showing this. Thanks.

Moderator Action: Moved to Bug Reports forum.

Please notice that the file is from a game in French, I don't know the compatibility between language.

 

[Browd]

OK, I'm not sure what you were expecting, but the only resources Mohenjo-Daro has are copper and deer, both of which are "bonus" resources, not strategic or luxury resources. In particular, if you recall, in Civ V copper was a luxury resource, but in Civ VI it has been "downgraded" to just a bonus resource.

The only utility of a CS bonus resource to its Suzerain comes if you are also the suzerain of Buenos Aires (which, in this game, you are not -- you haven't even met Buenos Aires). the Buenos Aires Suzerain bonus causes all of your Bonus resources to behave like a Luxury resources that provides 1 Amenity per bonus resource type (only a unique bonus resource qualifies as +1 Amenity, not each copy of a bonus resource).

So, I suspect there is no bug here. What were you expecting to see?

 

[TheXMassTeam]

What were you expecting to see?

Numbers are inconsistent, for the iron the difference may be the Carthage's Iron. But if you look at coal, I've no idea where the difference come from. If you check the savefile, the difference is 2 coal (6 in top screen, 4 in my territory both in the reports and on map, 0 from owned city state). 7 turn later it's 4/5. I'm pretty sure I didn't trade for coal as I alway remove useless stuff from trade, but I'm maybe wrong.

Spoiler maybe the confusion's origin :

So no, I can't be 100% sure it's a bug.

 

[Browd]

The save you posted was from turn 120, but your screenshots are from turn 761.

 

[TheXMassTeam]

Strange, I zip the "CATHERINE DE MÉDICIS 754 2051 ap. J.-C..Civ6Save" file, so I was thinking it was turn 754, not 120, sorry (double strange, I don't have a save for turn 120, I add a zip from autosave turn 761)

 

[Browd]

OK, I've loaded that save and taken a look around.

On coal, the top of my screen says 4 coal (the number showing the amount of a resource that you have follows that resource's icon), so the top of my screen says you have 1 nuclear device, 4 thermonuclear devices, 6 aluminum, 4 coal, 3 horses, 5 iron, 4 niter, 2 oil and 5 uranium.

Coal -- In the View Reports/Resources screen I see 1 coal in each of Paris and Montpelier and 2 coal in Calais, for a total of 4 coal. When I look on the map, that is also what I see. So all seems OK on coal, since you are not suzerain of any CS that has coal.

Iron - The top of the screen shows 5 iron, but the View Reports/Resources screen shows 4 iron in your cities (1 in each of Bordeaux and Montpelier and 2 in Lyon, and I can see those mines on the map). The remaining 1 iron must be the iron you are getting from Carthage (I can see their iron mine on the map as well).

So, I'm not sure what the issue is. The Resources tab of View Reports only shows you the resources you have in your cities -- it does not show resources from trades with other civs or received from CSs over which you are suzerain, but those are shown in the top row of resource icons.

 

[TheXMassTeam]

Hi @Browd

Thank you for taking time to see what's happen here

So, I'm not sure what the issue is

The initial issue is that the OP has no access to the coal from his CS.

Coal -- In the View Reports/Resources screen I see 1 coal in each of Paris and Montpelier and 2 coal in Calais, for a total of 4 coal. When I look on the map, that is also what I see. So all seems OK on coal, since you are not suzerain of any CS that has coal.

If you look at the screen shot below(poiler), you can see that I get 5 coal top of screen. It's from turn 761 and the save is from turn 761. You found only 4 coal top of screen when you load. So there is a problem somewhere, unfortunately not related to OP's issue (sorry @PresidentMike, unintentionally hijack your thread )

So I'm really not sure, as we can't see what we get from trade with other civ as far as I know we can't have explanation from where the difference come from. Not talking about the differences between the same save file loaded on 2 different devices.

 

[Ryika]

The resource overview does not show resources gained from city states, but you still get them.

 

[Browd]

The save you provided is from turn 754, but your spoilered screenshots in post 7 are from turn 761. I have no idea what changed in those 7 turns. All I can tell you is that, on turn 754, everything checks out.

During those 7 turns, did you become suzerain of another CS? On turn 754, you are suzerain of Toronto, Kumasi and Carthage, none of whom has any coal tiles in their culture borders (improved or otherwise). Did you trade for some coal with another civ?

 

[TheXMassTeam]

Did you trade for some coal with another civ?

Afaik, no, I didn't trade any coal. But I can't be sure, as I found no way to check the currents trade deals.

The save you provided is from turn 754, but your spoilered screenshots in post 7 are from turn 761

Post #8 you tell me that my save was from turn 120, so post #9 I put the save from turn 761 in order to get both screen shot and save file from the same turn

In fact, the only issue we could be sure on, is that we lack informations in the UI to tell exactly what's going on with the number of resources And this is not a bug, it's WAD

 

[Browd]

Sorry, I have way too many Bug Reports saves cluttering my saves folder -- turns out I opened a different poster's Catherine save when I said I loaded the turn 120 save, so apologies for that confusion.

OK, I've opened your turn 761 save and here's what I see:

You do have 5 coal (per the top of the screen), but still only have 4 coal in your cities and no coal from CSs over which you are suzerain, so you must be getting coal from a trade deal with another civ -- that's the only other possible source of coal in the game.

Unfortunately, the game does not include a full deal history screen (hopefully that will come in a patch), so I can't confirm which civ might be sending you coal, but when I look at your gold income from trades is see that at turn 754 you had 5 trades with Brazil, generating +24, +10, +48, +39 and +3 gold. Seven turns later (turn 761), you still have 5 trades with Brazil, but the order and gold yield of the trades has changed: +48, +39, +3, +38 and +34. This indicates to me that the first two Brazilian trades in the turn 754 listing came up for renewal during those 7 turns. I think Brazil is the most likely potential trading partner, because on turn 754 he has 2 coal available to trade, but on turn 761 he only has 1 coal left.

 

[TheXMassTeam]

These things happen, I'm happy that you take time to see if there's a bug or not, thank you

+3 gpt is from alliance. Brazil always accept to give me 3 gpt for an alliance, so I ask for it every time I renew the alliance
The +XX are for luxuries. Most of time I initiate the deal, and I never ask for strategic resources (cause I don't need it, and I can get more gpt without it). But sometimes, I modify a trade deal initiate by an other civ, so unfortunately I can't confirm that I never miss some coal in a trade with Brazil.

Seems that we have to wait until they release a full deal history screen to be sure. Next game I'll try to make a deal history sheet aside of the game, it could be useful (but boring ).

Can we confirm to OP @PresidentMike that yes, he automatically get all the resources of his CS, as soon as he is suzerain and the resource is exploited?

 

[Browd]

Oh, yes, the OP's question doesn't look like it is a bug, but your question is less clear (although I do think it is a result of a trade), so I'll hold off marking this thread with Not a Bug for now.