Strategy: Box in France?

grant2004

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In the recent discussion of city locations the idea of boxing in France has come up, I belive this is an interesting tactic which we might want to consider seperate from the issue of our next city location. Basicly what I'm wondering is are people willing to support a general strategy of blocking them in to prevent them becoming a large power. This general strategy could be passed as a non-binding poll reminding citizens and officials that future cities should be placed in locations which will halt the expansion of the French empire.

The situation as of now on the world map shows that Orleans is located on a thin ithsmus, by building two or three cities around Orleans our culture could block expansion of their settlers. Speed will be necessary if this plan is to work, we will need to turn out settlers rapidly because every city they found outside Orleans will make the formation of a buffer more difficult.

The benefits of a smaller France are obvious, they are an agressive civ and the smaller they are the few units they can field, also they will have less access to resources. Because we won't be competing for land with the French there will be more land to be had peacefully.

However there are also downsides, If France is boxed in their only option for expansion will be war, we'll have to remain wary of their military, also the line of cities that will be necessary will not be as coherent as we would likely create under normal circumstances. This will make us more vulnerable to attack and increase our maitence by distance from capital.

If we were to do this I would suggest our next city be founded in the gold cow location, this location will be necessary in a plan to block them in, and founding it first will provide us the opportunity to stop the plan if France expands quickly, begining with a city further to the west might get us stuck with a supposed buffer city surrounded by French territory.

If after the gold cow city is founded our next settler finds an opening around the propsed "coppertown" location that would be the obvious 2nd city site, then our third settler could found on the coast.

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Another plan would only require one city but may not be effective now, it would place a city one NW of the wine, and would have to expand once to be effective
 
I think it would be a good idea under most circumstances, but I believe that we'll have to be careful: it's Napoleon. There is the risk he'll get angry and declare war, and despite our good military traits, we are currently in a rather poor military situation.
 
@grant2004: Can you (or a mod) please edit your post and put the screenshot inside the [img][/img] tags please?

For now, here's his pic:
grant2004 has the pic now, so I removed mine.

I'll remove it (or a mod can) once the OP has been edited.

IMO the fastest method would be to capture Orleans, rather than build a multitude of cities. I like the overall plan, but would prefer to do it via Orleans instead.
 
Basicly what I'm wondering is are people willing to support a general strategy of blocking them in to prevent them becoming a large power.
In general, there is nothing wrong with the proposed strategy. But, in this particular instance, you don't need to block them. For you are Genghis Khan!

The Mongolian Keshik is one of the best early UU's out there, second only IMHO to JC's Praetorians. The Keshik is all about speed. Hit 'em fast and hit 'em hard. And you want to use that Keshik speed to overrun your opponent before he gets spears. In other words, you need to leverage your traits.

I would suggest dropping the Alphabet research in favor of Horseback Riding. You don't need alpha, yet, as you won't be making peace with Napoleon. Sign open borders with at least Nappy, if not everybody. Get your Scout to explore France and find out if he has any copper. That way you will know how many Keshiks you will need to chop/whip.
 
I would also be in favour of military action to exploit our advantage. The French will only become more troublesome if we allow them to grow. There empire will prosper like a cancer and leave us with a side of our nation that we will ahve to waste valuable units defending in large numbers incase Napoleon should attack.

I would suggest we enact Slavery and start pumping out military units. Strike now when we have the advantage.
 
Thanks for the tip Methos I hadn't posted a picture yet and missed that button, I see a lot of people tend to favor the military option, however I would point out that a blockade will accomplish similar aims without the need of actually starting a war with France, and that may have its benefits.
 
If a blockade were attempted, moving the "ring" of cities in by one position would allow it to be done using just 3 cities instead of 4. The extra city will make a big negative difference in the early economy.
 
3 or 4 cities cashflow will depend on their output.

Haven shall be soon a cash cow and the close north site has one gold mine.

No danger of bankruptcy with 4 cities,that are not far from capital.

Best regards,
 
I think that DaveShack means that by doing this, it would affect our economy as we would have to reduce research slider to due with the maintainence cost.
 
It is not necessary to box them in totally, just boxing them in partially will have the right effect, it will lead to France developing along a north-south axis, instead of developping in a "square". This will make it easier to knock out cities by coming from the east. It will also make sure that they get dragged down by the upkeep of their northern cities.
 
Now that's an interesting idea, a partial block does give some good advantages to us, we'd probably be able to divide and conquer in the event of a war.
 
we'd probably be able to divide and conquer in the event of a war.
If you box in France, there will be war. But, wouldn't it be better to fight them with Keshiks rather than wait for them to get Musketeers? Don't underestimate Napoleon. He will fight.

Right now he has 2 cities. It will probably be 3 by the time the Keshiks are in the field. There is no indication that he has copper. But, assume that he does (or better yet, send in a Scout). I would expect 3 or 4 spears at the most. So, 10 or 12 Keshiks should roll over France, in a worst case scenario. You should be looking to leverage Khan's traits.

And France is close enough to the capital that maintenance won't be that high. A couple of foreign trade routes in each city should cover the city maintenance. Research should be set to HBR-Alpha-Math-Currency.
 
I think a combination of axes and chariots would do the job as well. If I were in charge, I'd use axes and chariots for a first attack to capture Orleans and perhaps another small city, then build Keshiks and take Paris.
 
Now that's an interesting idea, a partial block does give some good advantages to us, we'd probably be able to divide and conquer in the event of a war.

There will be war. After all, Nappy is aggressive. :lol: ;)

I think a combination of axes and chariots would do the job as well. If I were in charge, I'd use axes and chariots for a first attack to capture Orleans and perhaps another small city, then build Keshiks and take Paris.

That's a good idea. In most of my Warlord and Noble games, AIs only place spears and archers in border cities. Axeman are usually only found in the capital. Thus, axes and chariots should be able to do the job. Without culture defense or walls, Orleans is finished.
 
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