Suggest a new leader for Civ 6

[Reboot]

Civ V selected a bunch of leaders that are less known for their wars, and try to nominate more female rulers where possible. Ostensibly this was to give Civ V a softer tone to emphasize on diplomacy/peaceful victory.

Civ VI, given the more exploration theme, might favour leaders that are historically more outgoing (not necessarily expansionistic). Theodore Roosevelt does fit this somewhat. I don't know enough about all civs to mention suggestions, but Yongle for the Chinese does make sense here, as does Elizabeth for the English.

 

[m15a]

I don't see how the inclusion of Wu Zeitan, Elizabeth, Isabella, and Catherine (the female leaders pre G&K) gave Civ V a "softer tone to emphasize diplomacy/peaceful victory". I don't know much about all their histories, but as a group there's a lot of expansion and war in their reigns.

I guess G&K had proportionally more female leaders, so that might be what you're talking about, but that had Boudicca.

 

[hugojackson18]

I wouldn't mind seeing Charlemagne as the leader of France. He was leader of the Franks who later turned into France, and ruled most of Europe with the Holy Roman Empire. He would be perfect as an alternative of Napoleon (who's 100% the most suited ruler of France).

I just hope they don't choose Jeanne d'Arc again, or worse, De Gaulle...

 

[Bast]

Yang Jian, Emperor Wen of Sui for China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Wen_of_Sui

An important Sui dynasty Emperor who united China. He also began the construction of the Grand Canal.

 

[Bast]

For Japan, I suggest Emperor Shomu, a Nara period Emperor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Shōmu

Responsible for religious and cultural achievements during the period.

 

[SMcM]

In terms of religious leaders:

 

[Alex Khan]

My suggestion:


Ancient leaders:
Egypt-Cleopatra: confirmed
China-Shi Huangdi: confirmed
Babylon: Hammurabi
Persia-Xerxes
Greece: Pericles:confirmed
Carthage: Hannibal
Rome: Claudius
Vizigoths-Alaric
Franks-Charlemagne
Celtic-Vercingetorix
Israel-David


Medieval leaders:
India-Akbar(yep, Ghandi was a good man, but I'm tired to see him in all games)
Arabia-Saladin:confirmed
Japan-Hojo Tokimune:confirmed
Mongolian Empire-Kublai Khan
Vikings-Ragnar Lodbrok
Byzantine Empire-Justinian
Ottoman Empire-Mehmed II
Poland/Lithuania-Sigismund II August
Hungary-Louis I
Aztec - Montezuma: confirmed (but which one of them: Montezuma I or Montezuma II?)
Inca - Topa Inca Yupanqui
Florence-Lorenzo de' Medici



Modern leaders:
Austria-Franz Joseph
France-Louis XIV
Russia-Peter the Great:confirmed
Prussia-Frederick the Great
Romania-Carol I (it can be fun to hear a leader who speak romanian )
British Empire-Victoria-confirmed
America-Teddy Rossevelt-confirmed
Germany-Adolf Hitler (it would be a premiere in history of Civ series).... can be disabled or activated if he offend yet many descendants of Holocaust survivors, and can be replace with other german leader like Wilhelm II
Spain-Francisco Franco
South Africa-Nelson Mandela

 

[SMcM]

My suggestion:


Ancient leaders:
Egypt-Cleopatra: confirmed
China-Shi Huangdi: confirmed
Babylon: Hammurabi
Persia-Xerxes
Greece: Pericles
Carthage: Hannibal
Rome: Claudius
Vizigoths-Alaric
Franks-Charlemagne
Celtic-Vercingetorix
Israel-David


Medieval leaders:
India-Akbar(yep, Ghandi was a good man, but I'm tired to see him in all games)
Arabia-Saladin
Japan-Tokugawa
Mongolian Empire-Kublai Khan
Vikings-Ragnar Lodbrok
Byzantine Empire-Justinian
Ottoman Empire-Mehmed II
Poland/Lithuania-Sigismund II August
Hungary-Louis I
Aztec - Ahuitzotl
Inca - Topa Inca Yupanqui
Florence-Lorenzo de' Medici



Modern leaders:
Austria-Franz Joseph
France-Louis XIV
Russia-Peter the Great
Prussia-Frederick the Great
Romania-Carol I (it can be fun to hear a leader who speak romanian )
British Empire-Victoria
America-Teddy Rossevelt-confirmed
Germany-Adolf Hitler (it would be a premiere in history of Civ series).... can be disabled or activated if he offend yet many descendants of Holocaust survivors, and can be replace with other german leader like Wilhelm II
Spain-Francisco Franco
South Africa-Nelson Mandela

Hojo Tokimune is the Japanese leader. Montezuma has been mentioned in interviews. Franco is a definite no; Spain's imperial power was long gone. Hitler also will not happen; you should be aware that Hitler is banned from games in Germany, so that is a certain no.

 

[Alex Khan]

you should be aware that Hitler is banned from games in Germany, so that is a certain no.

In that case, in Germany, you can disable Hitler and replace him with another german leader like Wilhelm II, special leader for german edition.

Meh...
Too bad we are not yet open-minded society .

We cannot play with Hitler, but we can play with Stalin who was another war criminal and cruel communist leader. But hey, he fought with the victorious Allies , and history is written by winners. LOL



Well, until becoming crazy and stupid in WW2, Hitler made Germany a great economic and military power without support in interwar period .......while Stalin starved his people and beat Nazi Germany with help from Allies+soviet propaganda (and for that, he became a playable glorious great leader in Civ series while Hitler became the only taboo villain in video-games because he lost the war)
I am surprised that Napoleon is not banned from games in France ffs

 

[Louis XXIV]

Please read my opening post. This is for leaders that have never been in before for existing civs. So please don't suggest Cleopatra for Egypt or anyone for the Visigoths.

 

[j51]

In that case, in Germany, you can disable Hitler and replace him with another german leader like Wilhelm II, special leader for german edition.

Meh...
Too bad we are not yet open-minded society .

We cannot play with Hitler, but we can play with Stalin who was another war criminal and cruel communist leader. But hey, he fought with the victorious Allies , and history is written by winners. LOL



Well, until becoming crazy and stupid in WW2, Hitler made Germany a great economic and military power without support in interwar period .......while Stalin starved his people and beat Nazi Germany with help from Allies+soviet propaganda (and for that, he became a playable glorious great leader in Civ series while Hitler became the only taboo villain in video-games because he lost the war)
I am surprised that Napoleon is not banned from games in France ffs

Guy, you're new here, so I'm just gonna point out that this debate has been had a thousand times in a thousand threads. It's no even controversial here anymore, just boring.

 

[Gyrofalcon]

Sorry, didn't had the time to read all the post, but got the urge to drop this;

Could we get back the 2 defined leaders per nation?
Unique building follows nation, but unique unit follow leader.
The leaders for the same nations, are from different times and turn-point in history.

 

[Alex Khan]

Ecce homo !

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=570683

 

[jsciv69]

Mexico: Benito Juarez
Colombia: Simon Bolivar
Argentina: Eva Peron
Cuba: Fidel Castro

 

[Zaarin]

Cuba: Fidel Castro

They've already had Mao and Stalin, so why not? No idea what people's fixation on evil dictators is.

 

[Aesir_Snacks]

To play devil's advocate, as communist strongmen go Castro wasn't so bad. That said, he's way too recent (I mean, he's still alive) and way too controversial (in America) to be in civ.

I am surprised that Napoleon is not banned from games in France ffs

Napoleon was no saint, but come on, he wasn't Hitler either.

 

[jsciv69]

They've already had Mao and Stalin, so why not? No idea what people's fixation on evil dictators is.

For every Eva Peron there's a Queen Isabella who was quite ruthless. There have been suggestions that Russia go with Ivan the Terrible. Some are even clamouring for Hitler and Franco. There is something attractive about playing as or against those who rule with an iron fist. What would Star Wars be without Darth Vader as the most popular and recognizable character. So "ruthless" or "evil" leaders like Castro, Marcos, or Elizabeth(Queen of torture), Nixon fit right in for a series like Civilization which has featured Atilla the Hun. And they make the game that much more interesting and realistic.

 

[jsciv69]

I understand the consternations about Castro.And he may indeed be too recent. Which is probably why Khrushchev(who would be perfect for this game) or Kennedy(also very ideal as a Civ leader) would be passed over. But Castro's not in power anymore and relations with the US have been normalized. And love him or hate him, he's certainly a perfect character for this type of game. And there's something to be said about a leader who has withstood 10 US presidents. Including those(Kennedy) who ordered attempts on his life.

 

[Zaarin]

Yeah, but you can have villains without bringing in villains who are A) still alive or whose victims are still alive and B) have not even accomplished anything in the advancement of their own regime. :/ Also, as far as significant leaders go, I'd rank Kennedy right up there with Boudicca and Gandhi.

 

[Xen]

It'd be really cool to see japan get Queen Himiko. The civ franchise has (and will again) dip into the well of pseudo historical personalities (see: Dido). She would certainly be an interesting character to flesh out, and a dynamic and interesting female rule in an area of the world that trends against having women in power in previous eras even more than that present in Europe.