T2 External Consulate - Should we extend our peace with India?

[Bertie]

Our peace treaty with India has expired. We can renegotiate it and obtain Literature plus all of their gold (6 pieces). The upside is this is a cheap way to get Literature. The downside, of course, is it prevents us from entering a second war with them for 20 turns.

I suggest we redo our peace deal. We're still at war with the Dutch and I'd prefer not to have to contemplate the possibility India may decide to attack us. (Well, they may anyway; but the possibility is less.) When we're ready to deal with India again we should be able to reduce them to one city in several turns of war.

Thoughts? I'll put up a poll.

 

[LeeT911]

I like this idea. It basically gives us a free tech. Waiting another 20 turns for the war with India isn't a big deal. So we'll do it after we revolt and get some infrastructure going. No problem there.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

I agree with Lee here. The chance to get Lit for free is too good not to take. So what if we wait. We may be too busy Over There to deal with them as it is.

SaaM

 

[Furiey]

We need to look at this idea in parallel with the sale of Currency. We need to sell Currency now we have lost the monopoly, therefore there is no point in renegotiatiating Peace for Literature if that's all that we can get for Currency. We can't buy it twice and need to look at the best way of doing it.

 

[RegentMan]

If we do this, then our trade route to the outside world is secure (it probably goes through the Indian harbor at Bangalore). We could probabaly secure another luxury via trade with Portugal and/or the Mayans.

 

[Kentharu]

getting the lit from them so that we can use it in the MA against the byzantines later right? so once the dutch out the way get the ROPs with either france or spain keep peace with india and kill off potrugal to get the pyriamds and statue of zues while keeping the other nations "over there" at war with each other that would give us the tech advantage and military advantage

 

[YNCS]

Considering that we're already at war with the Dutch and are soon to go to war with Portugal, let's make it less likely the Indians will stab us in the back. Besides, Literature is a good tech to have.

 

[Strider]

Looks like a good deal to me, Literature will give us access to Libraries (The GL is pratically impossible to get now).

Nice find Bertie.

 

[zyxy]

I completely agree with Furiey, we have plenty buying power already.

Twenty turns peace is way too long, India is blocking our access to the rest of the continent and needs to go. Also we should relieve the culture pressure from the Indian capital.

 

[vikingruler]

lit is a great tech and this chance to get it is too good to pass up. plus, like everyone said, we are still at war with the dutch and then portugal, so i think we can wait 20 turns.

 

[Rik Meleet]

Sell Currency to India for Literature. Then use Lit + Currency + whatever is required to obtain The Republic from Maya.

Alternative or extra: sign peace with the dutch and get Monotheism for little gold. Use Monotheism + Lit + Currency to obtain the Republic. The Republic should be our first goal.

 

[Furiey]

Sell Currency to India for Literature. Then use Lit + Currency + whatever is required to obtain The Republic from Maya.

Alternative or extra: sign peace with the dutch and get Monotheism for little gold. Use Monotheism + Lit + Currency to obtain the Republic. The Republic should be our first goal.

I like the idea of getting Monotheism rather than republic from the Dutch for peace then trading for Republic.

Twenty turns peace is way too long, India is blocking our access to the rest of the continent and needs to go. Also we should relieve the culture pressure from the Indian capital.

This is exactly my concern. As Rik Meleet also said, we can trade for currency without committing to 20 turns of peace.

 

[mad-bax]

Yes. My feeling is that we need to take out the Eastern Indian Cities. We need to expand to take the gems ASAP. The Indians must go.

 

[Bertie]

A question: we're currently discussing trading some of our luxuries and I read somewhere the route goes through one of the Indian cities. If we do make a trade and declare war on India within the next 20 turns, are we going to be taking out our only trade route, thus giving us a rep hit?

 

[Furiey]

If that is our only trade route (RegentMan believes it is, I haven't checked) then the answer is yes. One of the reasons I didn't want to make the trades. If we make the trades then that means 20 turns of no war with India or until we capture or build Harbours of our own. We also need to consider the effect of other wars on this route. Eg: war with Persia is being discussed, they control part of the coast, and depending on where we trade that could also affect it.

 

[zyxy]

If that is our only trade route (RegentMan believes it is, I haven't checked) then the answer is yes.

I seem to remember (but unsure) that only one of the trading partners needs to have a valid trade route, i.e., one of the partners can be at war with in-between civs, as long as the other isn't. But then, I am often wrong on this kind of stuff, and it's probably better to be safe than sorry.

 

[Nobody]

I don't think we should resign the treaty, im not saying we should declare war on them, but leave that option open