Term 6 DP pool
- Thread starter dutchfire
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I'm thinking of adding this rule as DP pool manager:
"If the DP doesn't show up within 1 hour of the scheduled start of the session and hasn't posted anything about his absence, any other member of the DP pool can pick up the save and play it according to the instructions. This DP has to post in the TCIT at least 1 hour before starting play though. This session will count as a session by the original DP for the play order."
Joe Harker
1st in the Premiership!
I was going to say can i go near the end, bit of a hectic month ahead, plus holidays 
!, but i am last so it's ok!
!, but i am last so it's ok!
donsig
Low level intermediary
Wow, I'm first! Looks like there was a one turn session on the 29th. That was the last one and also the last one of the term? What would be a good target for the first session of the new term?
This would apply only to online sessions, correct? If not, then how does one show up for an off line session?
This would apply only to online sessions, correct? If not, then how does one show up for an off line session?
I don't think it should count as the original DP's session. The idea should not be to punish the scheduled DP. Throwing them to the end of the line effectively means they lose their chance to play for the whole month, since we have more planned DPs than likely opportunities.
A DP could post "playing in 1 hour" even for an offline session, no?
There don't seem to be any contentious issues in the game that haven't already been polled, so I'd ask that the next session be scheduled with just enough delay for the new officials to do their instructions.
A DP could post "playing in 1 hour" even for an offline session, no?
There don't seem to be any contentious issues in the game that haven't already been polled, so I'd ask that the next session be scheduled with just enough delay for the new officials to do their instructions.
I'm going to be away from civ from 8/10 thru 8/17.
donsig
Low level intermediary
How soon after the scheduled time would you like it to actually be played? No need to give your answer in picoseconds. Days will do.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
Yes, how soon, give us an answer now, do not ignore the citizen input.
Hmm, that's an interesting question.
I'd trust you to adapt the scheduled time to your RL schedule. I'd trust you to ask for a swap or skip if you felt an unreasonable delay would result. I'd be concerned for you if it went more than a day without any indication of progress, and I'd look to citizen input on what we should do if it continued to go longer.
I'd trust you to adapt the scheduled time to your RL schedule. I'd trust you to ask for a swap or skip if you felt an unreasonable delay would result. I'd be concerned for you if it went more than a day without any indication of progress, and I'd look to citizen input on what we should do if it continued to go longer.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
I'm afraid I don't understand this at all.
This may be a "long shot", but everyone needs to "bow" to citizen input.
Falcon02
General
I see three issues of contention here...
A.) How long after the scheduled time does the DP have to actually play the save before another citizen can take over?
ie. Turnchat (online session) scheduled for July 27th at 1800 GMT, if the DP fails to show up can another DP in attendance play the session at 1900 GMT instead? Should this be allowed? and if so how much time should the original DP be given to start the session.
One issue with this I have though, is what if the original DP is unable to get access to the internet for a planned online session, so instead does an offline session (as far as I know there is nothing to legally prevent this). Then we have 2 different saves that were played, one from the original DP in an offline session, and another one by another DP who played their own version in an online session.
B.) Should the above "time" rule apply to Offline sessions as well?
Some have proposed a sort of 1 hour forum notification to allow it to apply, however that sorta ignores the reasons why someone would do an offline session. Sometimes you don't have internet access 1 hour before the session is played, and only have access for a short period after you actually have time to play it, thus requiring the offline session.
C.) Should the DP be Punished if he fails to show up in time (as described in A)
Should the original DP be pushed to the back of the priority list, essentially taking away their chance to play for the month? Or should their priority remain the same and they'll be able to play the next session.
What about the DP that took over for the original DP, and actually played the save? Should they maintain their priority? Should the session they took over count as one of their sessions, thus moving them to the back of the priority list.
If Online sessions were required, this would be a little easier to apply. We used to do something simular Civ 3 DGI and II when we had a chain of command system and online sessions were assumed. However, we shouldn't require online sessions if we're going to give everyone an opertunity to become a DP and play the save.
Also should it be instituted, DP's shouldn't be punished unless they make a trend of being late.
Of course then there's the question of what happens with those in attendence expecting the online session...
They decided to show up in the chatroom to watch the session and discuss, however the DP has not shown up to play the session or tell them he can't do it. Should they be able to take up the save at some point and have their own session since they showed up?
Part of me says yes as I think back to the old Chain of Command system where online sessions were assumed and if the primary DP wasn't there it would go down a chain of candidates.
But Part of me says no, because we don't have that system, and we don't want to have 2 theoretically legitimate saves at once.
In order for such a law to be implemented though all of the below must be satified in the law
A.) A DP officially announces if a session will be offline or online
B.) If a DP is unable to preform an online session (after announcing the session as being online) he may not start on offline session.
C.) Define exactly what point may another DP take up the save in the absence of the original DP
D.) Define hat will occur if the original DP does return in the middle of the other DP's session.
A.) How long after the scheduled time does the DP have to actually play the save before another citizen can take over?
ie. Turnchat (online session) scheduled for July 27th at 1800 GMT, if the DP fails to show up can another DP in attendance play the session at 1900 GMT instead? Should this be allowed? and if so how much time should the original DP be given to start the session.
One issue with this I have though, is what if the original DP is unable to get access to the internet for a planned online session, so instead does an offline session (as far as I know there is nothing to legally prevent this). Then we have 2 different saves that were played, one from the original DP in an offline session, and another one by another DP who played their own version in an online session.
B.) Should the above "time" rule apply to Offline sessions as well?
Some have proposed a sort of 1 hour forum notification to allow it to apply, however that sorta ignores the reasons why someone would do an offline session. Sometimes you don't have internet access 1 hour before the session is played, and only have access for a short period after you actually have time to play it, thus requiring the offline session.
C.) Should the DP be Punished if he fails to show up in time (as described in A)
Should the original DP be pushed to the back of the priority list, essentially taking away their chance to play for the month? Or should their priority remain the same and they'll be able to play the next session.
What about the DP that took over for the original DP, and actually played the save? Should they maintain their priority? Should the session they took over count as one of their sessions, thus moving them to the back of the priority list.
If Online sessions were required, this would be a little easier to apply. We used to do something simular Civ 3 DGI and II when we had a chain of command system and online sessions were assumed. However, we shouldn't require online sessions if we're going to give everyone an opertunity to become a DP and play the save.
Also should it be instituted, DP's shouldn't be punished unless they make a trend of being late.
Of course then there's the question of what happens with those in attendence expecting the online session...
They decided to show up in the chatroom to watch the session and discuss, however the DP has not shown up to play the session or tell them he can't do it. Should they be able to take up the save at some point and have their own session since they showed up?
Part of me says yes as I think back to the old Chain of Command system where online sessions were assumed and if the primary DP wasn't there it would go down a chain of candidates.
But Part of me says no, because we don't have that system, and we don't want to have 2 theoretically legitimate saves at once.
In order for such a law to be implemented though all of the below must be satified in the law
A.) A DP officially announces if a session will be offline or online
B.) If a DP is unable to preform an online session (after announcing the session as being online) he may not start on offline session.
C.) Define exactly what point may another DP take up the save in the absence of the original DP
D.) Define hat will occur if the original DP does return in the middle of the other DP's session.
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I think you need to check out my new initiative, Falcon. Your first issue is dealt with there.
Joe Harker
1st in the Premiership!
I am away from the 13th to the 22nd, with the possiblity of giving instructions on the 21st.
Target date: what about the 4th-5th?
About offline sessions, I think this covers it (although it definetly needs to be made clearer
):"and hasn't posted anything about his absence". If the session was scheduled as offline, than that explains the DP's "absence", as he's playing the save offline
(by the way the DP still has to check the forums maximally 1 hour before starting to get the latest instructions), if the session was scheduled as online, and the DP can't go online, he shouldn't play to avoid double saves.Shall I strike the rule about it containing as the original DP's session?
When I play an offline session, I post a "playing now" in the session thread. Almost all of the people who play offline do so because they don't like the chat, or because they can't run the chat and civ on their system. For the very few who don't have an internet connection on that system, they can post a confirmation on their other system that they're going to play.
donsig
Low level intermediary
EDIT: Please note that I have revised the scheduled time of the game play session per the investigation settlement reached with Methos and the judiciary.
The session will be held at 8:30 pm on Monday, August 6, eastern US time.
It will be an offline session, I will be the DP and it will be a regular session.
1585 AD Monday, August 6 game play session instruction thread.
donsig
Low level intermediary
There's a question posted in the game play instruciton thread asking how many turns I plan to play. Back in the day 10 turns was standard uless something came up in game that the DP felt should be discussed in the forums. Is that still the rule of thumb we're using?
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