TETurkhan Test of Time (Map & Mod)

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  1. Reno

    Reno The Studio Ghibli Fanatic

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    I my self have no dout that the TET 2.0 Wil be as great as 1.93!

    Good to know that you are still working on the mod!
    :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:
     
  2. BulMaster

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    Bah I lost the bet! Tough luck!


    Go tet go! Go tet go! Go tet go! Go me go!
     
  3. Coke_Cola

    Coke_Cola Chieftain

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    TeT, how is the game that your making going, and can we buy it?
     
  4. tjedge1

    tjedge1 Writer of writerly things

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    Buy what? His mod? That's illegal. Mods are free.
     
  5. mazzz

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    TET works for companys and helps design games, nothing to do this civ3 mods
     
  6. Bobisback

    Bobisback Emperor

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    no TeT said he was making a game earlier.
     
  7. tjedge1

    tjedge1 Writer of writerly things

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    Ok, I missed that he worked for a gaming company. That's cool, so does my cousin. He's really good, but I don't think he's into Civ3. Too bad for me. Anyone know what games TET has made lately? Just curious. His mod is the first I ever played. One of my favorites. Like to see how his other projects turn out.
     
  8. nowisforever

    nowisforever Chieftain

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    has anyone noticed that there's another mod site that makes a current-world mod and scenario (i forget what its called) but charges money for it? according to an above post, i'm not certain that what they are doing is particularly legal, or ethical...
     
  9. tjedge1

    tjedge1 Writer of writerly things

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    That's ridiculus. I would report them to someone. I'm pretty sure most everyone knows not to pay, but there's always a sucker and I'm against taking advantage of them. If you don't choose to, then PM me a link and I'll take care of them.
     
  10. bartdanr

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    If this controversy is over the "World 2004" scenario, I find nothing unethical--let alone illegal about charging downloaders for the bandwidth that the website has to pay.

    Why do you think it's illegal and/or unethical? The scenario designer has put a lot of time and effort into the design. The fee is minimal, and I had no problems in paying it. I wouldn't mind if Tet decided to do the same thing. Scenario designers deserve to be rewarded for their hard work.

    Now, I think it *would* be unethical if they used other people's work and collected money for it, passing it off as their own. Similarly, if they offered to download work for a fee that was from Atari or another company, I would call it illegal. But what their doing at "World 2004" (if that's the site to which you're referring) seems ok to me.
     
  11. anarres

    anarres anarchist revolutionary

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    Meh. Charging for your Civ mod is illeagal in every sense of the word.

    Haven't you heard of copyright? A little thing that Firaxis get ever so protective over. They offer you a right to distribute mods for free (which is not an automatic right, it is one that they have given with their consent).

    Firaxis choose in asserting their copyright over all material, so that means that you can't distribute anything for money if it includes their work, which all Civ3 mods do.

    Please don't talk about selling other people's materials as ethical - it may be done by some people and accepted by others, but that doesn't make it ethical!

    Edit: If however they really do only charge for bandwidth that is totally fine. I doubt if the cost of downloading a 200Mb file is more than a few pence to the site, so if they charge more than that I would doubt they could convince the lawyers that is for that cause.
     
  12. bartdanr

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    You're probably right on all of the above. It's sad that Atari/Faraxix has this attitude, though. I know that there are many sites for "The Sims", for example, that charge membership fees to download--and these sites are even advertised on EA's site. (For example, "SimFreaks"; it's advertised on EA's site, and you have to be a paid subscriber to download). EA is certainly not losing any money on the deal--fan sites are one of the big things about The Sims, which is the most popular computer game ever.

    So: maybe Firaxis should consider allowing people to charge membership fees for sites. It's their property, though; they can do what they want.
     
  13. nowisforever

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    yes, i was referring to the World 2004 site. first and foremost, i believe it is totally wrong to force people to pay in order to gain access to a mod which may or may not be worth it. especially since the mod is based off of a game that is owned/programmed by someone else (i.e. firaxis/atari). by charging what they do, the site owners are MORE than making up for bandwidth charges. thus, they are profiteering off of the work of others

    granted, yes, they have contributed a considerable amount of time and effort to making the mod; however, the programmers who made Civ, Ptw, and Conquests contributed considerably MORE time and effort into making the game and making it moddable.

    now, in no way do i mean to speak badly of modders or their efforts. in fact, were there a method of voluntarily donating towards the operating costs of the World 2004 website, i'd line right up. (see http://www.simtropolis.com for an excellent example of volunteer-based modding) after all, firaxis/atari didn't have to make the game moddable, now did they?
     
  14. warmwaffles

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    TET we could help you if you would sometimes post some improvements or something like that. :goodjob: :D
     
  15. bartdanr

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    I'm not sure what you mean by this, in that the mod is totally useless without first buying Civ, Ptw and Conquests. It is not a stand-alone game. The programmers will receive their compensation if a mod is given away or if it costs money. What would cheat the programmers out of their reward is if someone either sold or gave away the game itself, without making someone first buy the game from the publishers.

    As to the issue of whether or not charging someone for a mod:
     
  16. tjedge1

    tjedge1 Writer of writerly things

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    I sdon't see why anyone would pay for a mod in the first place. That's just stupid. I'm making mine for free. The DyP team doesn't charge for thiers and they as well as TET here have put in a ton of hours to make their mods unique and enjoyable. I don't see them charging for the mod. Now if you say the site charges a membership fee that is a whole different story. I'm not too worried about those who pay to visit a site and download things from it. That's no different than Napster2 or some Porn site. If this site is that large and known and Firaxis has done nothing then so be it, they have every right. As I have the right not to pay, now can we get back to the mod, and maybe take this argument to another forum or by PM please.
     
  17. bartdanr

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    Well said. Let's move on and discuss TET's fantastic free mod more!!!
     
  18. TETurkhan

    TETurkhan Game Developer

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    I have mentioned this before - I am working to have the mod compatible with all language versions: German, UK, French, Spanish and Italian.

    I need to find people that have any of the language versions and are willing to help make the mod compatible with it.

    Could some of you help me hunt down people with the versions listed above?

    Thanks!

    TETurkhan
     
  19. EddyG17

    EddyG17 King

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    Te, I can speak and write in Spanish, how can I help you?
     
  20. TETurkhan

    TETurkhan Game Developer

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    hi Eddie,

    Thanks for offering your help - do you have a working spanish version of Conquests?

    If any of you can offer assistance please email me at teturkhan@msn.com

    thanks!
     

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