TETurkhan Test of Time (Map & Mod)

Originally posted by TETurkhan
There was a time when I could put aside endless hours working on the mod. When I say I hope to get it done at a certain time – it is an honest estimation. There are however things that happen that I have no choice but to prioritize over working on this mod. The biggest one these being Life.

I am sorry for the delay, I really am and I can’t tell you the amount of pressure I feel to deliver to all of you who have been waiting for so long. All I can say as I always have is the wait will be worth it.

I understand Sportninja’s frustration, but believe me this is all just as frustrating for me. I am a one man team, and if you ask any accomplished mod maker – they will tell you simple changes can sometimes have a ripple effect that all of a sudden gives you 10 times more work- which has happened more times than I can remember.

I will deliver on my promise of 2.0 and on that none of you should have any doubt. Time is the only variable…
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I my self have no dout that the TET 2.0 Wil be as great as 1.93!

Good to know that you are still working on the mod!
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TeT, how is the game that your making going, and can we buy it?
 
no TeT said he was making a game earlier.
 
Ok, I missed that he worked for a gaming company. That's cool, so does my cousin. He's really good, but I don't think he's into Civ3. Too bad for me. Anyone know what games TET has made lately? Just curious. His mod is the first I ever played. One of my favorites. Like to see how his other projects turn out.
 
That's ridiculus. I would report them to someone. I'm pretty sure most everyone knows not to pay, but there's always a sucker and I'm against taking advantage of them. If you don't choose to, then PM me a link and I'll take care of them.
 
Originally posted by tjedge1
That's ridiculus. I would report them to someone. I'm pretty sure most everyone knows not to pay, but there's always a sucker and I'm against taking advantage of them. If you don't choose to, then PM me a link and I'll take care of them.
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If this controversy is over the "World 2004" scenario, I find nothing unethical--let alone illegal about charging downloaders for the bandwidth that the website has to pay.

Why do you think it's illegal and/or unethical? The scenario designer has put a lot of time and effort into the design. The fee is minimal, and I had no problems in paying it. I wouldn't mind if Tet decided to do the same thing. Scenario designers deserve to be rewarded for their hard work.

Now, I think it *would* be unethical if they used other people's work and collected money for it, passing it off as their own. Similarly, if they offered to download work for a fee that was from Atari or another company, I would call it illegal. But what their doing at "World 2004" (if that's the site to which you're referring) seems ok to me.
 
Meh. Charging for your Civ mod is illeagal in every sense of the word.

Haven't you heard of copyright? A little thing that Firaxis get ever so protective over. They offer you a right to distribute mods for free (which is not an automatic right, it is one that they have given with their consent).

Firaxis choose in asserting their copyright over all material, so that means that you can't distribute anything for money if it includes their work, which all Civ3 mods do.

Please don't talk about selling other people's materials as ethical - it may be done by some people and accepted by others, but that doesn't make it ethical!

Edit: If however they really do only charge for bandwidth that is totally fine. I doubt if the cost of downloading a 200Mb file is more than a few pence to the site, so if they charge more than that I would doubt they could convince the lawyers that is for that cause.
 
Originally posted by anarres
Meh. Charging for your Civ mod is illeagal in every sense of the word.

Haven't you heard of copyright? A little thing that Firaxis get ever so protective over. They offer you a right to distribute mods for free (which is not an automatic right, it is one that they have given with their consent).

Firaxis choose in asserting their copyright over all material, so that means that you can't distribute anything for money if it includes their work, which all Civ3 mods do.

Please don't talk about selling other people's materials as ethical - it may be done by some people and accepted by others, but that doesn't make it ethical!

Edit: If however they really do only charge for bandwidth that is totally fine. I doubt if the cost of downloading a 200Mb file is more than a few pence to the site, so if they charge more than that I would doubt they could convince the lawyers that is for that cause.
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You're probably right on all of the above. It's sad that Atari/Faraxix has this attitude, though. I know that there are many sites for "The Sims", for example, that charge membership fees to download--and these sites are even advertised on EA's site. (For example, "SimFreaks"; it's advertised on EA's site, and you have to be a paid subscriber to download). EA is certainly not losing any money on the deal--fan sites are one of the big things about The Sims, which is the most popular computer game ever.

So: maybe Firaxis should consider allowing people to charge membership fees for sites. It's their property, though; they can do what they want.
 
yes, i was referring to the World 2004 site. first and foremost, i believe it is totally wrong to force people to pay in order to gain access to a mod which may or may not be worth it. especially since the mod is based off of a game that is owned/programmed by someone else (i.e. firaxis/atari). by charging what they do, the site owners are MORE than making up for bandwidth charges. thus, they are profiteering off of the work of others

granted, yes, they have contributed a considerable amount of time and effort to making the mod; however, the programmers who made Civ, Ptw, and Conquests contributed considerably MORE time and effort into making the game and making it moddable.

now, in no way do i mean to speak badly of modders or their efforts. in fact, were there a method of voluntarily donating towards the operating costs of the World 2004 website, i'd line right up. (see http://www.simtropolis.com for an excellent example of volunteer-based modding) after all, firaxis/atari didn't have to make the game moddable, now did they?
 
Originally posted by nowisforever
granted, yes, they have contributed a considerable amount of time and effort to making the mod; however, the programmers who made Civ, Ptw, and Conquests contributed considerably MORE time and effort into making the game and making it moddable.
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I'm not sure what you mean by this, in that the mod is totally useless without first buying Civ, Ptw and Conquests. It is not a stand-alone game. The programmers will receive their compensation if a mod is given away or if it costs money. What would cheat the programmers out of their reward is if someone either sold or gave away the game itself, without making someone first buy the game from the publishers.

As to the issue of whether or not charging someone for a mod:
first and foremost, i believe it is totally wrong to force people to pay in order to gain access to a mod which may or may not be worth it.
The developers of the mod no more "force" us to buy their mod than Firaxis "forced" us to buy Civiliation. Some people who bought Civ III felt that the money wasn't worth it. Were they ripped off? I don't even know if a demo for Civ III was available at any time; however, the site in question offers a free download of a particular version of their mod--you can test it and see if it's worth it or not. You don't have to pay a thing if you don't like it--or even if you do like it and just continue to use the demo version.

Now, I don't pretend to be a lawyer and what the World 2004 people are doing may in fact be illegal. If it is, then I want them to stop. But frankly, I don't find it unethical. What I think would be unethical is if they did something like (1) try to sell a mod that someone else wrote, or even give away a mod claiming that they wrote it; or (2) sell or give away any product that made it possible to circumvent the need for buying the CD for the game.

I commend those who give away their mods, or ask for volunatry donations only...but I don't condemn those who want compensation for their hard work. Obviously, some game companies don't care if people make their mod sites fee-based; others do. Since the software is the property of the publisher, it's their call and if World 2004 or any other website breaks that agreement, then they should cease.
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I sdon't see why anyone would pay for a mod in the first place. That's just stupid. I'm making mine for free. The DyP team doesn't charge for thiers and they as well as TET here have put in a ton of hours to make their mods unique and enjoyable. I don't see them charging for the mod. Now if you say the site charges a membership fee that is a whole different story. I'm not too worried about those who pay to visit a site and download things from it. That's no different than Napster2 or some Porn site. If this site is that large and known and Firaxis has done nothing then so be it, they have every right. As I have the right not to pay, now can we get back to the mod, and maybe take this argument to another forum or by PM please.
 
Originally posted by tjedge1
I sdon't see why anyone would pay for a mod in the first place. That's just stupid. I'm making mine for free. The DyP team doesn't charge for thiers and they as well as TET here have put in a ton of hours to make their mods unique and enjoyable. I don't see them charging for the mod. Now if you say the site charges a membership fee that is a whole different story. I'm not too worried about those who pay to visit a site and download things from it. That's no different than Napster2 or some Porn site. If this site is that large and known and Firaxis has done nothing then so be it, they have every right. As I have the right not to pay, now can we get back to the mod, and maybe take this argument to another forum or by PM please.
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Well said. Let's move on and discuss TET's fantastic free mod more!!!
 
I have mentioned this before - I am working to have the mod compatible with all language versions: German, UK, French, Spanish and Italian.

I need to find people that have any of the language versions and are willing to help make the mod compatible with it.

Could some of you help me hunt down people with the versions listed above?

Thanks!

TETurkhan
 
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