The 14 Characteristics of Facism

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I found this site today and I found it thought provoking and the corraborating links worth a read too. It is a very left leaning site as far as I can tell. Some will have fun with that too.
No,no,no Im not obsessed with facism! I'm not. really!
Link:http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4.) Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5.) Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
6.) Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7.) Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses
8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9.) Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10.) Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed
11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations
13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
PS: How do you get one of those Bush dolls!
 
Zero, and anyone that equates the Bush administration with fascism is insulting the victims of Mussolini and his ilk.
 
1, 2 and 3 are the defining characteristics, 4, 6, 9, 12 some consequences. The rest are just historical specifics.
 
rmsharpe said:
Zero, and anyone that equates the Bush administration with fascism is insulting the victims of Mussolini and his ilk.

And anyone who apologizes for the Bush administration is insulting the victims of Bush and his ilk.
 
11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Can't agree. The German science was very developed during WW2. But the fascist nation's scienci is mostly military.


Actually most of the regims, are fascists.The nationalsotialism, the communism even today's American policy have much simmilar to the fascisim.
 
fing0lfin said:
11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Can't agree. The German science was very developed during WW2. But the fascist nation's scienci is mostly military.


Actually most of the regims, are fascists.The nationalsotialism, the communism even today's American policy have much simmilar to the fascisim.

I'm not sure what you mean. The Nazis were infamous for their oppression of scientists and artists.
 
rmsharpe said:
Zero, and anyone that equates the Bush administration with fascism is insulting the victims of Mussolini and his ilk.
Ah! I knew you'd love this one.

So, is there no degree to facism then? Is it all or nothing?
 
First about the artist. It is true that they were oppressioned. But a group of them standed very high in the society i think. These were those artist who were making propaganda materials for the Nazis. Films, sclupters, paints, songs/marches etc.
And the scientist who didn't want to obey the nazis, was oppressioned, too i think. But most of them worked for the nazis. But as i said, they weren't working on their own free project. They were making weapons, tanks etc. Everything related with the military.
And other group of scientist was working on the so called 'pure race'
 
Aphex_Twin said:
1, 2 and 3 are the defyning characteristics, 4, 6, 9, 12 some consequences. The rest are just historical specifics.
That implies some of these are optional. Can you maintain 1,2, & 3 without the others? I don't think there has been a facist state without all of them.
Edit; maybe #11?
 
So, is there no degree to facism then? Is it all or nothing?

Of course there are degrees of facism. However, there is conservative facism as well as liberal facism. It's hard to see the forrest for the trees, and when you are part of them but not as extreme, you just call them radicals.
 
fing0lfin said:
First about the artist. It is true that they were oppressioned. But a group of them standed very high in the society i think. These were those artist who were making propaganda materials for the Nazis. Films, sclupters, paints, songs/marches etc.
And the scientist who didn't want to obey the nazis, was oppressioned, too i think. But most of them worked for the nazis. But as i said, they weren't working on their own free project. They were making weapons, tanks etc. Everything related with the military.
And other group of scientist was working on the so called 'pure race'

Basically, in order to be a scientist or artist in Nazi Germany you had to be "aryan" and essentially be a member of the Nazi party, and preferably SS.

Von Braun was SS.

Heisenberg was a Nazi.

Albert Speers was in Hitler's close circle.

But science and art suffered terribly under the Nazis. Essentially it was exactly as the OP said, they go after artists, scientists, and other intellectuals.
 
Japher said:
Of course there are degrees of facism. However, there is conservative facism as well as liberal facism. It's hard to see the forrest for the trees, and when you are part of them but not as extreme, you just call them radicals.

liberal fascism is an oxymoron.
 
SomethingWitty said:
Basically, in order to be a scientist or artist in Nazi Germany you had to be "aryan" and essentially be a member of the Nazi party, and preferably SS.

Von Braun was SS.

Heisenberg was a Nazi.

Albert Speers was in Hitler's close circle.

But science and art suffered terribly under the Nazis. Essentially it was exactly as the OP said, they go after artists, scientists, and other intellectuals.

The science and the art were just canalized. They had only one purpose- the science- war, the art - propaganda.
 
Kayak said:
How does your Country Rate?
I found this site today and I found it thought provoking and the corraborating links worth a read too. It is a very left leaning site as far as I can tell. Some will have fun with that too.
No,no,no Im not obsessed with facism! I'm not. really!
Link:http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

PS: How do you get one of those Bush dolls!

Why don't you just come right out and say that you think America is a facist country instead of pvssy-footing around it? Cause, afterall, that is what you are trying to say, isn't it?
 
Kayak said:
That implies some of these are optional. Can you maintain 1,2, & 3 without the others? I don't think there has been a facist state without all of them.
Edit; maybe #11?
If a state that followed 1,2 and 3 arose I think it deserves the title of fascist. Wether or not it is male shovinist, anti-labour, pro big business is less relevant. Fascism is making the individual expendable for a 'higher cause' - obsession for power and control, supression of reason, etc.
 
1) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Yes quite a lot just bring up Pakistan and Kashmir....

2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Hmmm... yes to a significant extent Kashmir and the North East most notably

3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
True yes specfically various terroist groups, and sepratists. Seprtaists are not tolerated at all.

4.) Supremacy of the Military
Yes used quite often. Martial law in various states

5.) Rampant Sexism
Exceedingly but getting better as education increases

6.) Controlled Mass Media
Hmm...not really some taboos and such but not controlled

7.) Obsession with National Security
Well yeah but it's not unfounded

8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined
Offically secular once more however religon is a major issue and playing card and is used/brought up quite often

9.) Corporate Power is Protected
True yes corparations are powerful

10.) Labor Power is Suppressed
I seem to recall a worker strike being broken up recently by all the workers being soundly betanen with sticks for striking

11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Not true

12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Not sure can't be said

13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Oh yes sooo MUCH

14. Fraudulent Elections
Once again this is extremely common


Does my nation scare you? 1,2,3,4,5, 7, 8, 9,10, 13, 14...fear Fascist India.
 
John HSOG said:
Why don't you just come right out and say that you think America is a facist country instead of pvssy-footing around it? Cause, afterall, that is what you are trying to say, isn't it?


If somebody say America is fascicst country, every american will say 'that is crap'
But if someone provoke your mind, and you just think about what is fasicm, and think what is America, you will find many similar things. You will understand the trooth by yourself.
It's just psychology.
 
But if someone provoke your mind, and you just think about what is fasicm, and think what is America, you will find many similar things. You will understand the trooth by yourself.

Don't try and brainwash me you commie!
 
Hmm...ny nation is disturbingly like a fascist state now I think about it.....ah well....whatever it'll pass....
 
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