The Bureaucracy is expanding...

[CivCorpse]

My game has improved greatly due to these boards, and right off the bat I wanna thank, in no particular order:
InvisibleStake
KMadCandy
DaveMcW
Futurehermit
MadScientist
SlobberingBear
Sisiutil
Obsolete
Validator
VoiceofUnreason
+ countless others I've forgotten to name! (Sorry for misspellings)

it's spelled C-I-V-C-O-R-P-S-E
and you're welcome

 

[vicawoo]

One other minor point on Bureacracy. If running the slavery civic and your capital goes into slave revolt you lose can lose alot of commerce and production in one turn compared to Free Speach where you still get the extra commerce to towns. Again a minor point.

Let me think about that, let a town-ed city have commerce b, capital with bureacracy a.
In free speech, expected commerce is (6/4)*b*n. (assume commerce goes from 4 to 6 for towns, doesn't matter that much)
Ok, is slave revolt an independent event (most importantly, can multiple happen in one turn?).
If yes, then it's 6/4*(1-p)*b*n, where p is the probability of a slave revolt, that is it is purely multiplicative. If it's not an independent event, then it's 6/4*b*(p*(n-1)+(1-p)*n) = 6/4*b*(n-p). Basically it effectively reduces your empire size by p, so at 100% probability, your empire would be one smaller.

For bureacracy, if it's an independent event, it would again be multiplicative, so you don't "lose" anything technically speaking in the long run.
If it's a one city event, it becomes
(1.5*a*((1-p)+p*(n-1)/n)+b*((1-p)*(n-1)+p*(n-1)/n*(n-2)) = (1.5*a+b*(n-1))-p*(1.5*a/n - b*2/n) = (1.5 a + b (n-1))*((n-p)/n)-b*p/n.
So if my math is right, which is a circumspect assumption at this point, if you're in bureacracy you lose an additional b*p/n, basically a non-capital city. I'll edit this later.

 

[Dubai Vol]

Another vote of thanks to the regulars here who make this forum among the best. And yes, KMad, you deserve special thanks because I am now a wannabe "permanoob!"

It's a game. Play. Have fun with it. I'm trying my first SE (specialist economy) game thanks to these boards, and loving it. Bureaucracy is doing me just fine, with a production capital. Representation, Caste System, Pacifism (from a hardcore retired army sergeant!) and I am pumping out Great Persons (People?) like nobody's business. A very different game than a CE (cottage economy) game, which I have also enjoyed.

But really I am an actual newbie. I got CIV over a year ago and I think this is my third game. (Real life is just too time-consuming!) but I started with the original Civ in 1991, so I am an "experienced" noob!

Reps to all you forum members, this place rocks!