The Celts.

[Skwink]

I don't like the way they put Celts in civ 4. The Irish, the Scots, the English, and the Gauls were all different people. They should not of been mashed into one civ. Their cultures are different. It's also that way with the Native Americans. Quinault and Iroquois are quite different too. [/endrant]

 

[Jerrymander]

The individual cultures don't have the same impact or merit as the unified cultures.

 

[CHEESE!]

Isn't that the same for every single culture group on the planet? Europeans are more influential than Germans...

 

[ethemenanki]

Yeah, but the tribes are summarized under the term "celts". And the tribes alone were hardly significant as an empire. The games name is "Civilization" and not "Tribes", after all.
The English and Germans actually got their own labels, but they were relevant as nations in modern history, as did the "gauls" as France.
I don't know about the north american natives.

 

[Revenant]

It's not like the Irish ever did anything particularly noteworthy. It's nice that the Celtic units speak Irish though

 

[Jarlaxe Baenre]

It's not like the Irish ever did anything particularly noteworthy. It's nice that the Celtic units speak Irish though

They invented Guinness! The Guinness Book of World Records was named after their beer!

 

[Dumanios]

If you want, you can split Celtia into Ireland, Scotland and Wales and Native America into the Sioux, Iroqouis, Carib, Seminole, Apache, Navajo, Inuit, Algonquin, Tupi, Guarani...

But it would get tedious.

 

[Skwink]

I am just saying, the could of made The Gaels, and the Gauls. I don't know what they would do the the NA.

 

[s.bernbaum]

Although there never was a Celtic empire or civilization as such, there was a Celtic culture. It began in an Alpine valley (it evades me at the moment whether that is in modern Switzerland or Austria) and eventually spread north and west to the areas that you mention, as well as all the lands in between. After Rome conquered most of the Celtic lands, the remaining areas, being no longer culturally connected, went their own ways culturally for a few centuries, which is why you see such a pronounced difference in the modern areas that consider themselves of Celtic origin. As for North America, many of the native groups are not even genetically, let alone culturally, related for many millennia.

In any case it's only a game. They could have put in a civilization of ship wrecked interstellar travelers, who lost everything and had to work their way back up, and it would still play the same!

 

[Revenant]

They could have put in a civilization of ship wrecked interstellar travelers, who lost everything and had to work their way back up, and it would still play the same!

Now that I would like to see!

 

[s.bernbaum]

Now that I would like to see!

Now that you mention it, that would be real nice! The civ could have all kinds of weird looking units and buildings, plus an obviously alien leaderhead. (Maybe it is there, as Sury! ) I wonder if any of the modders has gone down this road.

 

[ethemenanki]

In any case this culture qualified for civ because of its expansion across the old continent and relevance for european history. A unifying emperor is not everything.

 

[ethemenanki]

They invented Guinness! The Guinness Book of World Records was named after their beer!

World Project: Guinness Book Of World Records; GP +1 (great artist), +20% more random events

 

[NihilZero]

Although there never was a Celtic empire or civilization as such, there was a Celtic culture. It began in an Alpine valley (it evades me at the moment whether that is in modern Switzerland or Austria) and eventually spread north and west to the areas that you mention, as well as all the lands in between.

The Celts also spread to the Iberian peninsula and eastwards as far as Anatolia. At one point the Celts were the most ubiquitous culture in europe and spread just about everywhere, making them rather important historically. They built cities, used currency and were skilled metallurgists, which contrasts with the the myth (which largely arose from Roman propagnda) that they were neanderthal savages ripe for ethnic cleansing.

 

[fed1943]

That's true: Gallegos and Minhotos are Celts.

 

[Jerrymander]

Isn't that the same for every single culture group on the planet? Europeans are more influential than Germans...

But not every European is German. The Celtic 'tribes' were all very similar, according to what little I know of history.

 

[Griff72]

It's not like the Irish ever did anything particularly noteworthy. It's nice that the Celtic units speak Irish though

Don't mind saying I spat out some coffee the first time I heard my old primary school Gaeilge coming out of Civ 4!

Always thought that Brewing should be a Civ advance, pretty significant discovery!

 

[Skwink]

Yeah, The celts mash up all of the different Celtic areas. Speaking Irish, having Duns, Gallic leader, and a English Celt leader. What do they have from Scotland?

 

[ParadigmShifter]

William Rowan Hamilton was Irish and he invented quaternions (where we get vector cross products from) and they are also used in 3D rotation, animation or camera control systems.

 

[Psyringe]

I understand the sentiment, but the reasoning is a bit flawed imho. China has dozens of very distinct cultures, yet it's represented by only one civilization. Persia was a multi-ethnical empire in which each satrapy kept its own culture, yet it's represented by only one civilization. But most of us Westerners don't recognize either of the two as multi-ethnical unless we're interested in them and learned more about them.

If you're informed about the Celts, then you of course recognize the differences of the tribes, and would like to see them differentiated instead of molded into a single "Celtic" entity. For people who haven't occupied themselves a lot with Celts, having one Celtic entity is perfectly okay. I think Firaxis' customers mostly fall into the second category, so breaking the Celts up into their distinct tribes is (and will be) left to interested modders.