The Celts.

Good luck finding a average gamer who knows any of those.

But, they had vast Empires that Spanned the Globe!
We can throw in Monaco, and the Canary Islands.
Where would we all be without these major Empires and the Global technological Advancements they have brought to us all and and Great Wonders they have built.
:)
 
Every European knows those countries, they give Scotland a good game when they play them at football.
 
But, they had vast Empires that Spanned the Globe!
We can throw in Monaco, and the Canary Islands.
Where would we all be without these major Empires and the Global technological Advancements they have brought to us all and and Great Wonders they have built.
:)

If they're so major, why aren't they in a game?
 
They are in other games!

Why just yesterday i remember playing the Luxembourger Empire in Hearts of iron 2! They've got the biggest empire at the start!
 
Austria, Hungary, Poland and Macedonia should be playable.
 
Austria, Hungary, Poland and Macedonia should be playable.

Austria: really just part of Germany if you think about it. They speak German there, you know.
Hungary: was part of Austria for most of its existence if I remember correctly :lol:
Poland: :lol:
Macedonia: Yeah, while we're at it, we should have separate playable civs for ALL of the Greek states! Athens, Sparta, Delphi, Corinth, Thrace...:rolleyes:
 
Says the guy in favor of Luxembourg.
 
Exactly.
The point was that small tribes or countries, won't usually be in conquest games, because, well, they are too small to conquest.
I mean really, where would Liechtenstein or Andorra raise an army large enough to conquer the world?
They don't have ports, so, a Naval fleet is out of the question.
They don't have the pop. for Large scale economic development to sustain the maintenaince costs of many cities. They basically represent a city, in Civ terms.
So, seperate Nat Am. tribes wouldn't make since either.
Now, if you wanted to suggest 2-4 groups of Nat. Am. tribes as Empires, that would be conceivable. Such as a North-East, South-East, South-West, North-West regions.
Then, use the tribes in each area, as the city names for each region, but, there wouldn't be enough of a difference to justify it.
It would be better to have a different leader with different traits to explain a warlike version of a tribe, or a Philosophical leader to signify a more peaceful version of a tribe.
There was an attempt by some tribes to unite, but, nothing long-term or perminent was sustained. Some were never conquered. The Seminole Indians are here still in Florida. They were not conquered by Spain, or the U.S.

One could argue for an Indonesian Empire. There was rumor their early boats made it to south America.
They could have an early UU galley perhaps, and a UB like the Fetoria, with +1 gold from water tiles (perhaps changing the Fetoria to a Harbor for the Portuguese).
Several seperate islands with similar cultural backgrounds.
The difference would be to introduce this more sea dominent peaceful Empire to the game with a different cultural background.
 
The celts deserve a spot. The only thing that I don't understand is the confusion as far as leaders are concerned. Boudica is not a great pick IMO. Besides if you look at the UU and the names in the city list you will notice that it seems to be more about Gaul than Ireland (Bibracte, Vienne, etc).

In BTS the Native American civ is probably the most misleading denomination. In comparison Celts are ok after all they certainly had more in common than the Native American peoples who inhabited the North American continent before Europeans set foot there.
 
Macedonia could actually be a plausible civ; yank Alexander over to them. He did found the Macedonian Empire, after all, not the Greek Empire...
 
Iroquois and/or Sioux should be in at a minimum. Apache, Haida, Seminole, Cherokee, Navajo, Shawnee in at a stretch. Choctaw, Cree, Metis, Eskimo, Aleut, Tlingit not inconceivable. Crow, Inuit, Pequot, Mohegan, Huron pushing it. All the others are beyond Civ terms.
 
The Goths.
They are famous for sacking Rome in 410.
Civ doesn't have to split them into Visigoths and Ostrogoths.
Rome was recaptured by the Byzantines.
The rest did contribute to early Spain's numbers, and Isabella's traits don't seem aggressive enough to represent Alaric 1 or the Goths well enough. Maybe, AGG/SPI.

And make a setting to end the teching, so, I can stop it at gunpowder. We shouldn't have to tech all game to nukes. Buildings should be built faster. It doesn't take decades to build a bank.
That's the boring part of the game, waiting to have the gold to pay for the attacks.
 
I get a little tired of the European civs after playing so many Euro based games in the 90s and early 2000's (age of empires, mythology, rome: total war, etc.). I'm glad they included more African and Asian civs in IV and I hope they continue to diversify in V. Khmer, Ethiopian, Mali, Korea, Sumeria are all very interesting, although Hittites went away from 3.

I think Charlemagne was a more interesting leader than Boud or Bren, but he's nowhere to be found.

All a matter of opinion whether more civs are better, the tradeoff is that with more variety comes less uniqueness about the different civs, and the games play out more the same. The new AI engine will hopefully do away with that and allow for more "organic" games to appear where they aren't hard-wired to one particular victory strategy (or seemingly none at all..).
 
The way I see it the problem with some civs is that they are a bit redundant.

The same could be said about the Holy Roman Empire being included. Charlemagne is European in the sense that his legacy is shared by France and Germany alike.

The Goths are included as Barbarians but Plasmacannon is right they settled in Spain and it is doubtful that the Spain civ represent that aspect.

Nevertheless regarding the Celts it goes without saying that they have been more influential than the Goths and to a certain extent their culture still exists today. I'm French and we all know that the French language is based on vulgar Latin and Gaulish. The Celtic heritage is indeed very important and is not limited to Ireland (although today we tend to look at Ireland for anything Celtic).
 
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