The Cristo Redentor - the ultimate wonder!

[weimingshi]

From reading the description, my understanding is it negates the 5 turn wait time when it says no wait time between change, Not change many times in one turn. thats definately a bug in my book. Anyways it is a game breaking wonder at this point, its way too power the way its implemented now, firaxis needs to tune it down alot.

 

[DrJambo]

It's definitely too powerful in its current form. It needs to have at least one turn between when you're allowed to change civics. Being able to change civics indefinitely over the same turn is so easy to exploit as the human player. Slavery, Universal Suffrage and Nationhood in particular.

 

[Slaughter]

If the Cristo Redentor does that, why we in Brazil don't have a governament change each day? I swear we're in a Democracy since 1985! Where are our civic changes, Mr. President? I say we should change to police state and then go back!

 

[Polycrates]

If the Cristo Redentor does that, why we in Brazil don't have a governament change each day? I swear we're in a Democracy since 1985! Where are our civic changes, Mr. President? I say we should change to police state and then go back!

Don't you read the local news? You were just a slave to a hereditary Confucian theocracy for about 37 seconds yesterday. So if you look outside and see a shiny new Confucian temple surrounded by corpses today, you'll know why!

 

[Slaughter]

Don't you read the local news? You were just a slave to a hereditary Confucian theocracy for about 37 seconds yesterday. So if you look outside and see a shiny new Confucian temple surrounded by corpses today, you'll know why!

Aaaahhhm, so THAT is why the red stuff on the asfalt din't look like the right way that red paint should look... Thanks fer the informations!

 

[Plan-B]

Isnt the wonder obsoleted by a nearby tech? Or am I thinking of another one?

 

[Zhentar]

Cristo Redentor is now an absolute must for me late game. It's so versatile. If I'm in the position to be able to build the wonder, I don't think I'd lose from that point on, it's just that good.

I'm inclined to agree. Let's see how well your war machine works when you're the only civ in the world not on emancipation, Mr. Caesar.

 

[Agarwaen]

If the Cristo Redentor does that, why we in Brazil don't have a governament change each day? I swear we're in a Democracy since 1985! Where are our civic changes, Mr. President? I say we should change to police state and then go back!

Think Vargas, he changed the Government every few years/turns: 1930, 1934, 1937 then 1945, and this are only Government Civics, he changed 'Free Market' to 'Mercantilism' and other legal changes too, without much anarchy or delay

 

[HiroHito]

nerf nerf nerf and then nerf yet again, should reduce the waiting time, not enable civics-insta-juggling-of-the-slavery-and-death

 

[Spearthrower]

I'm enjoying this wonder while it lasts, because I feel like it is going to be hit hard with a nerf stick sometime soon!

 

[DrewBledsoe]

Erm just a point....if you still need to whip stuff by the time of radio, you really are doing something wrong. Even though as someone pointed out, changing religions for espionage bonus or the like is useful, but again probably not really necessary. I can't really imagine it was intended to let you change multiple times within the same turn though.

 

[Slaughter]

Think Vargas, he changed the Government every few years/turns: 1930, 1934, 1937 then 1945, and this are only Government Civics, he changed 'Free Market' to 'Mercantilism' and other legal changes too, without much anarchy or delay

Really?! What are we waiting for? Let's whip lots of tanks (pop is not a prob here), go Police State/Theocracy and invade Argentina! And then them!

 

[Thalassicus]

It's not really all that powerful compared to things like the 3 Gorges Dam that give you free continent-wide electricity, eliminating all from power and removing the need for wasting turns on plants. It's just exciting because it's something new and useful, but it comes halfway through the Modern Era at a point most games area already over.

If you want an overpowered wonder, just think of the original Hunter Seeker Algorithm in Alpha Centauri, or Leonardo's Workshop in Civ II. Those were ridiculously imbalanced.

 

[Spearthrower]

I really think that there are too many options available with this Wonder.

For example.... spend a couple of turns pumping espionage against a tech leader, send in a load of spies.... then, on 1 turn, switch civics to really poor ones and your religion to the lowest pop one, espionage mission your enemy to flip their civics to your poor ones and their religion to yours..... then on the same turn switch your civics and religion back to the good ones.

No other Wonder lets you so royally stuff your enemy..... and that's just one use of it, there are countless tweaks you can make turn by turn to squeeze a lot of advantage out of it.

 

[mrt144]

It's not really all that powerful compared to things like the 3 Gorges Dam that give you free continent-wide electricity, eliminating all from power and removing the need for wasting turns on plants. It's just exciting because it's something new and useful, but it comes halfway through the Modern Era at a point most games area already over.

If you want an overpowered wonder, just think of the original Hunter Seeker Algorithm in Alpha Centauri, or Leonardo's Workshop in Civ II. Those were ridiculously imbalanced.

wrong. 3GD doesnt eliminate health from power at all.

 

[Thalassicus]

Building the 3GD does remove the from existing and future coal power plants, since it renders them obsolete.

 

[axident]

Building the 3GD does remove the + from existing coal power.

Is it any, ahem, WONDER, why people go straight for 3GD when Industrialization opens up?

 

[mnf]

.... spend a couple of turns pumping espionage against a tech leader, send in a load of spies.... then, on 1 turn, switch civics to really poor ones and your religion to the lowest pop one, espionage mission your enemy to flip their civics to your poor ones and their religion to yours..... then on the same turn switch your civics and religion back to the good ones.

Would this also cause the enemy to go into the usual period of anarchy?

I wonder how much effort it is to get an opponent to switch all five civic from the top-most row to the bottom-most row, then back up to the top-most, then down...

Being dumped into rounds and rounds of anarchy would be really frustrating if you're trying to build spaceship parts.

 

[Spearthrower]

Would this also cause the enemy to go into the usual period of anarchy?

From experience I'd say no..... I think it just switches them over.

 

[Solomwi]

EDIT: Just saw where all power gives two , and they made the coal plant give two more. Cristo still rocks.