The Greek Hoplite

[thedirk]

Looks like the Greeks are going to tough to conquer in the early game. That extra defense strength will mean any attacking army better have plenty of strong attack units if they want to be serious about conquest. Couple that will city walls, and the Greeks could easily be unassailable until the development of gunpowder.

 

[Napoleon Hitler]

I'm just glad it wasn't a 2/2/1 (getting a bit tired of those 2-1-2 combos). Although, I think it might have been better suited as a 2/2/1 because Greece conquered with Hoplites: Alexander the Great. Oh well, I'm happy either way. I wish they'd send me a beta copy to test for them!

 

[rmsjazz]

I don't know, gimme my catapult and we'll see how long the mighty hoplite lasts when it rains boulders.

 

[Az]

Although, I think it might have been better suited as a 2/2/1 because Greece conquered with Hoplites: Alexander the Great. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/crazyeyes.gif" border=0>[/B]

What do you mean?

Alexander never used Hoplites!


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[hetairoi22]

Yes Alexander used hoplites. All Greek city-states did.

Alexander's father, Philip II, reformed the army, adding cavalry as a main unit. He also reformed the Phalanx, arming the Macedonian hoplites with long spears (sarissas) and light shields. The phalanx would be his main formation, while the cavalry (Companion Cavalry) charged the enemy's flank, splitting the enemy army. Philip conquered most of Greece, but wished to conquer Persia, and when Alexander became king he used his father's military tactics/formations and conquered all of Persia in ca. 10 years.

Just some info of mine.

 

[Scrooge]

Uff. Finally a 3 in the stats. The unit surely is pretty defensive, but given the 'scientific/commercial' profile of the nation should suit the Greeks just fine. Yep, I think I'll play the Greeks.

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[Az]

Originally posted by hetairoi22:
Yes Alexander used hoplites. All Greek city-states did.

Alexander's father, Philip II, reformed the army, adding cavalry as a main unit. He also reformed the Phalanx, arming the Macedonian hoplites with long spears (sarissas) and light shields. The phalanx would be his main formation, while the cavalry (Companion Cavalry) charged the enemy's flank, splitting the enemy army. Philip conquered most of Greece, but wished to conquer Persia, and when Alexander became king he used his father's military tactics/formations and conquered all of Persia in ca. 10 years.

Just some info of mine.

That's very good!
I knew all this exept from the fact that they ALSO used Hoplites...
Hmmm...
You are well informed on the topic!
We should chat sometime.
Do you have ICQ, MSN, or Yahoo msg?

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[hetairoi22]

Originally posted by Az:
You are well informed on the topic!

Well, thanx.

We should chat sometime.
Do you have ICQ, MSN, or Yahoo msg?

Err, actually I have neither. I've never tried such programs, how do they work, where could I get them?

In the meantime you could send me an e-mail @

andreas@dk2net.dk ?

 

[Az]

Go here:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubbcount.cgi?expath1=Forum3&expath2=&topic=000368&type=&number=3

It contains MP info but also all the info you want.

I suggest ICQ

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[hetairoi22]

Originally posted by Az:
Go here:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubbcount.cgi?expath1=Forum3&expath2=&topic=000368& type=&number=3

It contains MP info but also all the info you want.

I suggest ICQ

I've downloaded ICQ. My ICQ Number is 128523722.

 

[hetairoi22]

Originally posted by Napoleon Hitler:
I'm just glad it wasn't a 2/2/1 (getting a bit tired of those 2-1-2 combos). Although, I think it might have been better suited as a 2/2/1 because Greece conquered with Hoplites: Alexander the Great. Oh well, I'm happy either way. I wish they'd send me a beta copy to test for them! <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/crazyeyes.gif" border=0>

I agree. I think both the Hoplites and Spearmen should also have some offensive capability.

 

[greenie]

I must agree.... having a three defence unit so early in the game is a huge advantage, unless of course attacking units are stronger....

Add that with increased Commerce (money supports army, not production) and increased Science, it's gonna be hard to overlook the Greks when choosing a player.....

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[Ubik01]

Some people here don't know a shirt about ancient Greek armies. The Macedonian Phalanx was not a hoplite phalanx. Hoplites were the traditional footsoldiers of the southern Greece and they were never introduced in the Macedonian Greek army.

The macedonian soldiers were not hoplites. A hoplite was a soldier carrying the "hoplon", the large round shield that was used extremely well in the "synaspismos", the gathering together of the hoplites in a phalanx formation.

So, before stating anything about things you don't know well, open a book (or check up at the appropriate URLs).

It is trouth that Alexander used several thousand hoplites in his conquest, but they were southern Greek "allies", not soldiers of the Macedonian Greek army.

If you need more info on hoplites, just ask

 

[LeBigMec]

Seems to me the Greeks could become a cultural powerhouse early on. With hoplites for exellent defence, and commercial/scientific bonusses.
I cant wait to see how culture is going to work in the game. Maybe, early on, the Greeks would be able to assimilate nearby inferior civs without even attacking.

Also funny how historical issues always seem to upset people.

 

[Father Time]

Hmm...

If you want to simulate Alexander the Greats conquest with hoplites, I suppose you could fortify your hoplites in a big phalanx formation (use one hoplite in each square for a row or two) let the enemy attack you, having the enemy waste units on your defensive position, and use your offensive units destroy whatever is left and take cities.

 

[Cunobelin Of Hippo]

Yeah, I do that in Civ 2. You see the line of pikemen, but few see the crusaders lurking just beyond.

And with the added commerce, the Greeks will be able to rush build these monsters!

 

[Robespierre]

with good science and good commerce (which means even better science with the extra $$ fo' guvamint science projects), combined with an early golden age and near-invincibility in ancient times with massed hoplites... the greeks should be able to quickly carve out a place for themselves in the ancient world and advance technologically at a lightning pace. if it wasn't for my irrational love of russia, i'd probably play the greeks.

 

[Az]

Originally posted by Ubik01:
Some people here don't know a shirt about ancient Greek armies. The Macedonian Phalanx was not a hoplite phalanx. Hoplites were the traditional footsoldiers of the southern Greece and they were never introduced in the Macedonian Greek army.

The macedonian soldiers were not hoplites. A hoplite was a soldier carrying the "hoplon", the large round shield that was used extremely well in the "synaspismos", the gathering together of the hoplites in a phalanx formation.

So, before stating anything about things you don't know well, open a book (or check up at the appropriate URLs).

It is trouth that Alexander used several thousand hoplites in his conquest, but they were southern Greek "allies", not soldiers of the Macedonian Greek army.

If you need more info on hoplites, just ask <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0>

Hmmm...

That's what I know too!
But hetairoi22 appears to be quite sure of himself...
Could you tell us where you found that hetairoi22?

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[hetairoi22]

Originally posted by Ubik01:
Some people here don't know a shirt about ancient Greek armies. The Macedonian Phalanx was not a hoplite phalanx. Hoplites were the traditional footsoldiers of the southern Greece and they were never introduced in the Macedonian Greek army.

The macedonian soldiers were not hoplites. A hoplite was a soldier carrying the "hoplon", the large round shield that was used extremely well in the "synaspismos", the gathering together of the hoplites in a phalanx formation.

So, before stating anything about things you don't know well, open a book (or check up at the appropriate URLs).

It is trouth that Alexander used several thousand hoplites in his conquest, but they were southern Greek "allies", not soldiers of the Macedonian Greek army.

If you need more info on hoplites, just ask <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0>

You are right of course. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif" border=0> The Macedonian infantry were called "Phalangites" (="Members of the Phalanx") and were lightly armed. I beleave that the evolved from the Hoplites though.






[This message has been edited by hetairoi22 (edited August 27, 2001).]

 

[Aristonico]

More on hoplites...
The Spartan women said to their husbands when the left to war: "Come back with the shield, or on the sheld, but not without the shield".
On the shield: the carried the dead bodies on them.
Without the shield: the "hoplon" was so heavy that the first thing that was "discarded" in case of defeat was that.