The Iliad
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JMaltman
Prince
Well, early on in the game you can queue up your actions because there's very little to do. If you want a game that will cycle more frequently than the timer, you should make it very clear its expected that people log in every turn (or 2nd turn or whatever).
JMaltman
Prince
Is anyone in contact with Niamor? he has not played the last 3 turns.Why start a game if you won't be consistent!
THIS was what I responded too... I was just too lazy to quote before.
the oob
Retired PTBS host
Thank you for the kind words and encouragement. The idea is not original. I had it from the quotations that we get from the SP, and lack in the MP, game after discovery of a tech. Hopefully they may spark some interest.
It is interesting to note though that some in the game were, out of necessity, I guess, foreshortened; for example, Homer's quote:
"It is entirely seemly for a young man killed in battle to lie mangled by the bronze spear. In his death all things appear fair."
is followed by...
"But when dogs shame the gray head and gray chin and nakedness of an old man killed, it is the most piteous thing that happens among wretched mortals."
In context the quote is far more powerful. If I read this correctly, I think what he is saying is that there is an aesthetic in death in combat. For some reason Calvin Kline ads come to mind, but I digress...
For now, I will leave you with one from Plato which is most appropriate for anyone playing Civilization.
"You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation."
Regards,
Bolkonsky.
One of these days when I'm feeling less lazy, I should make a program that adds a random quote as the MOTD every time there's a new turn. I could harness the power of the civfanatics forum to get people to bring me quotes to add to the database. Would be fairly easy to do, and would give me a chance to screw around with C#
Hmm....
JMaltman
Prince
I'll either be switched to AI or subbed for from June 2nd and returning on the 9th. Don't worry about the apparent double JMaltman's - the light blue one is subbing for me in another game and forgot to switch names when he went between PTBSes.
Heh, sorry about that, i'll fix it now...
JMaltman
Prince
karayanev - not exactly. cds0528 is subbing for me in ANOTHER game. I'm looking for a sub for this game, that is not in this game. 
Bolkonski
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So cds0528 will be subbing for you JMaltman, thats great.
Also i feel that we are having a good game pace, this is my 1st PB, how does it compares to others PT games speed wise. Looks like everyone is moving his turn appropriately
As a general rule it is not a good idea for a substitue to come from the same game.
Equally it is not a good idea for a substitute to take the place of more than one player in the same game even if it is a different time. I note that cds0528 substituting for JMaltman was an error. 
Sixteen hours would appear to be a fairly short turn time for a Pitboss game. Nonetheless it is my expectation that players will take their turns before the expiry of the turn. If a player is unable to do this I would hope that they would find a substitute
or request that the AI take over their civilization for a period of time.Finally it is not a good idea to post email addresses in the game thread
, especially if it is not yours ! Communication is better by PM.The pace of the game seems reasonable to me.
Bolkonsky.
JMaltman
Prince
As a general rule it is not a good idea for a substitue to come from the same game.
For the gazillionth time - we never substituted for each other in this game.
He had logged in for me in ANOTHER game, then logged in to this game after, without changing his name - so it looked like I was in for both. A sub has to come from outside the game.
Sixteen hours would appear to be a fairly short turn time for a Pitboss game. Nonetheless it is my expectation that players will take their turns before the expiry of the turn. If a player is unable to do this I would hope that they would find a substitute
16 hours is the shortest of any PTBS game I've seen so far where the expectation is that people will log in each turn (I'm in another always peace where its 12 hours, but people might not log in for a week and nobody says boo).
But I'm working on a sub to go in and press Enter for me.
I think it's pretty normal for people to have different expectations, and as I said it takes some time to get use to the pace for 1st timers as myself. So don’t take it personal JM, also thanks for trying to get a sub. If you don’t find one no biggy. I don't have a problem with people taking their time, but as I said before, if it's the same person over and over (no one specific right now) I would like to have that person reminded that if 17 players can end the turn before the timer expires, he should too.
Yup, that's what happened, I've been tracking his game last couple turns so I can sub smoothly (a lot more going on in his then this one), and when I logged out of his and I went to take my turn in this game, I forgot to change my name up on the top (I'm fairly new to using pitboss, so I keep forgetting to check the player name), so the logins looked really weird, my mistake on that and sorry for the confusion.
Bolkonski
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I would like to clarify the difference between the expectations I have for the game and the rules for the game. The former is a hope, the latter something that will be enforced.
Regarding turns, it is my expectation that players will take their turn before the expiry of the turn. My reasoning behind this is that we will all at sometime be in different stages of game play and at times there will be some who are very active and some who are very quiet. In fairness to those who want to get on with things it behoves the rest us not to hold the game up. I would prefer that players who know they are going to be away preferably get a substitute and if they cannot do that then they request that the AI run their civ for a period of time. That way, everyone else can get on with the game without getting frustrated.
The rule is quite different: a player may go six turns (four days) without taking a turn and without notifying me as game host and I will do nothing. Beyond that time they need to notify me. This allows for unforseen and mitigating circumstances.
Players may be interested to know that I did consider twelve hour turns. I decided against that because I felt that it would exclude some people who work long days. Given that we are from different time zones all over the world I felt that sixteen (probably in effect eighteen) hours would likely accomodate the majority.
The comments about substitutes again are my expectations for the game and I quote them once more here:
They had nothing to do with the specific situation regarding cds0528 and JMaltman, which the latter had made me aware of sometime before the posting.
Please note: these are not rules. I did not write a rule for the use of substitutes for this game.
Finally, this is a learning process for all of us. Pitboss is a relatively new facet of an established game with a large following. The discussions we have in these fora can be very helpful to both us and others in developing a game that is both playable and fun. With that in mind, I would welcome comments and thoughts from other players on the above.
Bolkonsky.
Regarding turns, it is my expectation that players will take their turn before the expiry of the turn. My reasoning behind this is that we will all at sometime be in different stages of game play and at times there will be some who are very active and some who are very quiet. In fairness to those who want to get on with things it behoves the rest us not to hold the game up. I would prefer that players who know they are going to be away preferably get a substitute and if they cannot do that then they request that the AI run their civ for a period of time. That way, everyone else can get on with the game without getting frustrated.
The rule is quite different: a player may go six turns (four days) without taking a turn and without notifying me as game host and I will do nothing. Beyond that time they need to notify me. This allows for unforseen and mitigating circumstances.
Players may be interested to know that I did consider twelve hour turns. I decided against that because I felt that it would exclude some people who work long days. Given that we are from different time zones all over the world I felt that sixteen (probably in effect eighteen) hours would likely accomodate the majority.
The comments about substitutes again are my expectations for the game and I quote them once more here:
They had nothing to do with the specific situation regarding cds0528 and JMaltman, which the latter had made me aware of sometime before the posting.
Please note: these are not rules. I did not write a rule for the use of substitutes for this game.
Finally, this is a learning process for all of us. Pitboss is a relatively new facet of an established game with a large following. The discussions we have in these fora can be very helpful to both us and others in developing a game that is both playable and fun. With that in mind, I would welcome comments and thoughts from other players on the above.
Bolkonsky.
JMaltman
Prince
And with that said - deleatur will be subbing for me over the next week. 
About the substitutes thing, it probably should be a rule that you can't sub for a person who's in the same game as you, as that would give you tons of info you shouldn't have. Even though you didn't write the rule at the beginning of the game, I'm all for making it a rule (I can't imagine anyone here would disagree with that...). As for the info on how long to go without logging in, I think those expectations/rules are reasonable.
To bad you can't set your civ up to auto move at the beginning of the turn like the AI.
My train of thought on the above matter is the sooner we hit "enter", the sooner we get to more exciting times.
As far as the substitue thing; if you want a rival to see inside your civ, then I say so be it.
My train of thought on the above matter is the sooner we hit "enter", the sooner we get to more exciting times.
As far as the substitue thing; if you want a rival to see inside your civ, then I say so be it.
