The Law of the Jungle

[Jehoshua]

Hey, you may inexplicably survive and then I would be your slave. However considering my far superior stats I would think that your going to end up enslaved and force marched back to gem country to toil for me unendingly (who knows I may let you off the leash every once in a while so you can toil for your own subsistence... or just sacrifice you ).

 

[GreyWithAnE]

ooc: As honour doesn't seem to have any effect...

IC: I overthrow Eazulotl. "The gold you own has turned you into the tyrant you claim that no-one should be. Your hypocrisy cannot be ignored."

Noctusuma: In calling you my tribesman I overestimated your integrity, your honor, and your manhood. I never once asked to become Citizlan, and I have been thrust into this position by the Yilfruit tribe not because of my gold or my favor from Tenochtitlan, but because of my favor among the people, and their respect for me.

If you respected the will of your tribe but merely disagreed, you would move from this land, and toil under your own rule in one of the many other bountiful jungles of Aztlan [1-SW, for instance].

If you respected my own honor and trustworthiness, you would have spoken to me in private, and urged me to give up my title or move myself.

And even if you were determined to oppose me, any shred of manhood you had would motivate you to challenge me as Ahuitzotl did Joatzli, by polling the will of the tribe. Instead you, showing your true colors, plot to overthrow me in secret.

You, a snake in the grass, choose to act underhandedly and undermine me. And what would you gain in victory? Precisely the tyranny which you mean to oppose. The thorned crown of hypocrisy would quickly be passed to you, and with much more merit than you ever had in giving it to me.

It is not too late for you to change your choice, Noctusuma, and salvage the goodwill of your fellow Aztlan. If you continue on this path, win or lose, you would be wise to recall that the world is large and life is long, and you will have made yourself an enemy of the wrong House.

-Eazu

 

[Ceskari]

The day is progressing in wanton neglect. Nobody is pitching in for the Nation! The lust these people have to breed overwhelms reason. The greed to spill the blood of peasants is just another distraction.

If only I had more turns in a session to be able to initiate the actions that are required for the well-being of the Nation!

 

[JohannaK]

ooc: Woah.

Jehoshua was absolutely right, it's time to get some popcorn and sit down to watch this amazing contest of wit and honor (which for the moment seem both to be in Eazulotl's side) and Fame and XP. Who will win? I'd say at a glimpse that odds are even.

 

[Caragus]

Tonauac paced around the camp, trying to think of the best way to phrase his next order. It was a shame his warriors couldn't understand anything over five words. Hitting upon a good wording, he caught the attention of his warriors.
"Explore. Capture barbarians for sacrifice."
Slightly crude, but he seemed to get his point across. The 1st Jaguar Warriors collected their equipment, and prepared to continue their exploration. This time, however, there would hopefully be some prisoners for sacrifice to the God of War by the end.

 

[Jehoshua]

hmm, this little kerfuffle of yours down in the yillfruit lands could turn out to be quite interesting, House Chacultepec will be watching events exceedingly closely and looks forward to the possibility of becoming closer acquaintances with the victor. Who knows, perhaps a certain willingness to deal with House Chacultepec and form a relationship with it would endenger a favourable intercession by the Lord Ahuitzol in favour of one side or another should the inevitable occur, although of course the consummation of such a relationship would require sacrifices on behalf of the reciprocal party.

 

[CivOasis]

The day had certainly been long and bizarre.

After the amusing capture of a revolting peasant in another part of the city, Tenoch began to rest.

However, his peace was soon disturbed by the appearance of the tenant-turned-lord, Ahuizotl - and his hounds. Within the small mining outpost, the community began to circle around.

Rising to his feet, the former noble approached his landlord.

"You would violate Mexica law, and capture me?"

Ahuizotl stepped back. Clearly, he had not given though towards the legality - and honorability - of his actions.

Tenoch grinned.

"Clearly, you have mistaken my words towards your actions as a personal insult towards you. My feelings towards yourself are ambivalent, and do not weigh upon your honor. I merely feel that, in these early days of our people, there are better uses of our time than self-conflict. Besides, I, as agreed, toil for you, provide you the not-insignificant fruits of my labor. Is an off comment enough to retract that agreement?"

Ahuizotl turned and walked off. While it was unlikely he was appeased, Tenoch felt confident his life had been spared. The remaining tenants, seeing no further action, subsided.

As the morning had drawn late, Tenoch returned to the fields, ready to toil for his own family - and later, to keep his unsteady peace with Ahuizotl.

OOC: Hope its not a problem, I felt my narrow brush with death - however clear legally - would make a good story.

 

[Jehoshua]

OOC: Oh I will be looking into that, There is clearly a contradiction between the injunction in the rules that peasants have "no special rights and priveleges" and the obscure addendum to the protocol on evicting tenants which says that evicting is the only legitimate action a landlord can take against a tenant. if peasants have no special rights and priveleges why are they given the right and privelege in law to not be enslaved and brutally oppresed by their landlord? Although I suppose the distinction is that the status of tenant, is distinct from the inferior social position of peasant ah well, you shall be almost free... for now

anyways its no problem, I simply missed the tiny disclaimer in the evict action since I only checked the section on peasants in regards to checking the legality of making you a perpetual slave/tenant. I guess I will just have to enslave Prince of Persia to get the slave-tenant I desire to posess (who knows, if I get two I might make them fight each other for my amusement )

 

[JohannaK]

ooc: Of course peasants have no rights or privileges. Because of the fact of being peasants, of course. As I see it, it is implied that a title (such as that of Tenant) implies a change in the characters attributes or rights, and so a mere peasant has no rights, but that with the title of Tenant acquires certain rights.

 

[Jehoshua]

ooc: I said as much in my post

 

[JohannaK]

ooc: True, i did just as you did with exponents: just read the first part and assumed you continued previous rants without trying to find the explanation.

 

[Jehoshua]

ooc: I am allowed to rant at my failed attempt to enslave a tenant for a slight insult we are aztec, therefore bombastic displays of hyperaggressiveness and rage are completely acceptable (see montezuma, civ IV incarnation )

 

[GreyWithAnE]

I just realized this from Yahzuk's post:

Each character may perform 1 action during the morning of the council session, due by Tuesday 29 November at 22:00 GMT-5..

Tuesday! Why so long?

 

[Jehoshua]

ooc: to torture you with anticipation of your coming combat with Filli Noctus of course

 

[yahzuk]

Tuesday! Why so long?

I thought some folks might not be able to do much over the holiday weekend. If that's not the case and everyone turns in the orders before Tuesday, I'm willing to move on early.
(everyone does not include swimandciv who has left the game, even though his character is stuck here until death)

 

[Jehoshua]

Its only a holiday weekend in the dastardly dominion of the Americans

 

[yahzuk]

25-Nov-11

• SIGNIFICANT CHANGE - Added rules for Defiant Slaves (section 8)
• Added Owner of slave title to list (section 8)
• Can only sacrifice character in same location (section 7)
• Clarified joint attacks and principal attackers (section 10)

So I've made a significant change here and it deserves a little commentary.

I've given slaves the oppurtunity to be defiant and disobey their owner's orders.

Why?

After a great deal of delibration, I ultimately decided it was a problem that the slave-tenant thing took away both of a character's actions.

I don't care so much that it was a raw deal for the slaves - obviously it was, but frankly slaves deserve a raw deal - no, the problem for me was that it was such a singular path, and that is against what I'm trying do with this game , not to mention rather boring.

As it stood before, anytime you captured a slave, the logical thing to do was to march him directly to some citizen's tile (obviously your own if possible) and lock up both of the slave's actions so he can't oppose you until you were good and ready to sacrifice him.

There's no real decision involved in that. It's a giant neon sign that says "Tap Here".

So now there is a greater dynamic between slave and owner.
Are you cruel to your slaves? Or merciful?
Do you demand a slave obey you in the morning and toil for you in the afternoon too? Or do you allow him some measure of freedom for the later part of his day?
Do you dutifully obey your owner's wishes in the hopes of pleasing him and living long enough to someday regain your freedom? Or do you risk your owner's wrath by defying him now?
Do you sacrifice a defiant slave immediately? Or do you risk losing him in order to sacrifice him for an even greater value at a later time.

Now these are decisions worthy of some thought!

Thus endeth my rant.
Register your complaints vai the procedure outlined in section 12.

 

[Jehoshua]

ooc: bugger, I knew I shouldn't of mentioned that little detail of my slavery plans in that reply I sent.

 

[JohannaK]

But that was obvious. If you hadn't remarked them, the same Prinz or some charitable player would have, and yahzuk would have done exactly the same. But look, you do have now a new and very profitable situation. If you manage to bring him to your tile and he then disobeys, you'll have a more profiting sacrifice.

 

[Jehoshua]

true, true, its not that the new thing is bad, its just that it means I will have to alter some arrangements. (No one likes change!)