The most useless great wonders?

[Moonsinger]

Originally posted by -proletarian-
Sun Tzu's Art Of War

I consider the Tzu's Art of War is the best Wonder. On the other hand, the UN and the Manhattan Project are the two useless Wonders. Why? About the UN, AIs always seem to vote for themselves and rarely vote for me. About the Manhattan Project, by the time I'm able to build it, there isn't anyone left for me to nuke.

 

[zeeter]

Originally posted by Moonsinger

I consider the Tzu's Art of War is the best Wonder.

It all depends on what you're doing. For me, playing the Romans, I am usually at war shortly after discovering Iron Working to take advantage of my Legions. Since I am attacking so early there is a good chance that the cities I conquer will simply be destroyed rather than captured. For this reason there is no need for Sun Tzu's for me. Besides, barracks are cheap and what else are you going to build between your first spearman and the temple?

As I said before, while there are a couple of useless wonders, most of the remainder are usefull only if your playing style and the game situation dictates it.

 

[Portuguese]

It's a must to have Pyramids & Great Library, because if you don't, someone will, and AI makes very good use of them.

Be carefull, because you don't only built Great wonders for yourself. You also build them to don't let others to make them!!!

And the AI player who build them gain good advantages...

 

[Trinity]

Originally posted by Portuguese
It's a must to have Pyramids & Great Library, because if you don't, someone will, and AI makes very good use of them.

Be carefull, because you don't only built Great wonders for yourself. You also build them to don't let others to make them!!!

And the AI player who build them gain good advantages...

Totally agree. I'd rather build a lot of other stuff, but after my first city, I scout for the highest shield producing areas and go on a city building spree. I want two cities capable of producing wonders in under 50 turns, and if there is nothing able to be built, I put them on moving my palace (usually over 30 turns) just to stockpile shields so that when another wonder comes along, I can build it in under 20 turns. Just to deny the AI the wonder.

The Great Lighthouse is nice, but if you build it I think it allows AI galleys to cross the Pacific Ocean without sinking, and causes yours to sink if they end turn on an ocean tile.

 

[Ozymandius]

Hi Ricardo:

I spent a whole day last September trying to get to downtown Oporto. Someone should put up some maps for us tourists. Beautiful country though and very polite when we were lost . Did my tour in Sandeman but loved Bragga.

I agree that sometimes we must build wonders just so the AI doesn't get an advantage. The Lighthouse helps one space if you happen to need sea voyages. I think the AI cheats because when I have it they can still park in the ocean and not sink.

Before we run out of crappy Wonders, how can anyone of them be improved. Perhaps Firaxis takes hints and we can help them make a good game better.

 

[Portuguese]

Originally posted by Ozymandius
Hi Ricardo:

I spent a whole day last September trying to get to downtown Oporto. Someone should put up some maps for us tourists. Beautiful country though and very polite when we were lost . Did my tour in Sandeman but loved Bragga.

I agree that sometimes we must build wonders just so the AI doesn't get an advantage. The Lighthouse helps one space if you happen to need sea voyages. I think the AI cheats because when I have it they can still park in the ocean and not sink.

Happy for that. You are welcome and yes we are very nice people and very helpfull to tourists

Lighthouse is good to let to the AI: They get that bonus for triremes anyway so... (unless you really need it!). Pyramids are much more important because the AI with them almost always takes advantage over the other (to see who has the pyramids, till 1000AD, press F8 and see who is more powerfull).
I spoke about this, because people were forgetting that if the human doesn't do the Gr Wonder, someone will and it will be possibly dangerous to let that happen...

 

[Ozymandius]

Ricardo:

What do you mean about the people who discovered new continents... Columbus, Pizarro, Prince Bartholemew? or the Civs on other continents who you have to meet first?

 

[Portuguese]

Originally posted by Ozymandius
Ricardo:

What do you mean about the people who discovered new continents... Columbus, Pizarro, Prince Bartholemew? or the Civs on other continents who you have to meet first?

As I have once wrote, Portuguese had reach Americas first than Colombus (explain Tordesilhas treaty other way... just look through it), all African coast after Bojador, South East Asia (Indonesia, East Timor, Australia, Japan, China were habitted but only achivable by land routes or local sea routes, not through Cabo or Magalhães Passage).
In Japan, when we reach them, we started what is called by them "The Christian Century".
From China, we brought silk (cheaply) and we gained Macau
Malaca and Colombus (Sri Lanka) were Portuguese commerce outposts
And from India, we brought Spices, which were the most profitable merchandise at the time, through Cabo, much cheaper than the land route through Arabian territories.
Ormuz was an important outpost to trade with Persian
And, of course, we discovered Brazil in late 15th century, officially in 1500.

Today, Portuguese is only speaked in Brazil, 5 countries in Africa (officially, not counting Portuguese legacy in many others), East Timor, some Sri Lanka villages, Goa, Damao e Diu (not officially, because Indians expelled Portugal from there). That's because Portugal declined since 1580.
However, that doesn't erase history. Or does it?

 

[Joe-o-War]

i'm in the same boat as zeeter, romans and early wars, but i still build the sun tzu's art of war

 

[philippe]

i never build the oracle...it sux market place and 3 luxeries are what you need

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Originally posted by -proletarian-
This has probably been done before, but I've never seen a similar thread, so......

Every wonder is useful in some way, even if it is only for the cultural benefits. However, there are the wonders that I never even bother trying to build.

The Great Library
The Great Wall
Magellan's Voyage
Sun Tzu's Art Of War

Now I WILL build them if they are easily available and there is nothing better to build, but I'll generally let the AI waste production on them while I snap up the best ones.

I disagree with you on GL and Sun Tzu.

Even on lower levels where the human is probably ahead in tech anyway, GL provides significant culture benefit later in the game.

Sun Tzu is one of the most powerful wonders in the game in my opinion.

My preferred picks are: GL, then Sun Tzu, then Smiths, then ToE and Hoover, followed by UN. I'd go for CfC in the modern age, but the game is usually over before that.

Least valuable wonder in my book is Longevity, which I thought servered no purpose at all until I saw Bamspeedy's GOTM exploit.

 

[Homie]

Originally posted by Portuguese


As I have once wrote, Portuguese had reach Americas first than Colombus (explain Tordesilhas treaty other way... just look through it)

No, this is incorrect. The Norwegian Vikings were the first to reach the American continent, Leif Eriksson was the one who lead the expidition.

 

[Ozymandius]

Columbus was not first and he was so lost, thinking he was in India and named the inhabitants Indians. The Portuguese might have been fishing on the Grand Banks (Newfoundland) prior to 1492 but they were not going to tell others about the fish. The Vikings got to N. America about 1,000 AD. Also some evidence for the Irish to have arrived in 500 AD. But there is strong evidence so far is that the Indians got here first.

 

[zeeter]

The world needs to stop arguing about who discovered America. It was Columbus. Sure, the Vikings were here first, but they didn't tell anyone. Neither did the Portugese fishermen, the Irish, or the Chinese as some have suggested.
The only argument to Columbus can be the Native Americans, however since the Europeans control the continent now, this is not a consideration.
Columbus's discovery made the Americas what they are today.

 

[Ozymandius]

If the American Congress can vote to take the discovery of the telephone from Alexander Bell then we can debate who was responsible for the Americas.
Columbus didn't name the place. It is the people who were best capable of stealing the land from the original owners and practiced ethnic cleansing most successfully that produced today's map.
Our own origins and ethnic history books interpret who won. You are right though, we don't need facts to know who is right. We stole it all fair and square and **** the losers.

 

[GhengisFarb]

I wonder what it would be like to live in the United States of Liefica?

However, since the Vikings didn't go all the way to S. America I guess we could name SA after Columbus. Maybe the continent of Columbwaslost.

Liefica and Columbwaslost. I'll notify the UN immediately of the official changes.[dance]

 

[Portuguese]

Originally posted by Homie


No, this is incorrect. The Norwegian Vikings were the first to reach the American continent, Leif Eriksson was the one who lead the expidition.

Well, Thanx. I didn't know the name, but I've been told of that in my history class. Here a list of discoverers of America. Please check it:

- American Indians (~60000 BC)
- Vikings (Leif Eriksoon) ( ~1000)
- Portuguese (before 1492)
- Colombo (1492)
- Pedro Álvares Cabral (1500)
- Americo

 

[zeeter]

Originally posted by Portuguese


- American Indians (~60000 BC)
- Vikings (Leif Eriksoon) ( ~1000)
- Portuguese (before 1492)
- Colombo (1492)
- Pedro Álvares Cabral (1500)
- Americo

Are you telling me that Peter Falk discovered America???

 

[Portuguese]

Who is Peter Falk?

 

[zeeter]

He played Columbo on the tv show Columbo.