The only girl unit in the game...

[occam]

But that Wiki is greatly misleading in that it gives the impression that women walked beside men and even fought with\against them in great numbers - forget it. It didn`t happen even in small numbers, perhaps 1 or 2 exceptions may have happened. This is revisionist feminist claptrap.

If only there were some way to improve the information contained in this vile Wiki of which you speak!

- O

 

[Perfection]

Someone should make a graphical mod where all the units are replaced by sylized females in risque but completely ineffective combat attire.

 

[Revolutionary]

Someone should make a graphical mod where all the units are replaced by sylized females in risque but completely ineffective combat attire.

I second that request

 

[Will9]

By the time it would make sence to women units, all units are mech.

 

[Da_V_Man]

I find it funny when Joan of Arc (Great Prophet I believe) looks like a guy.

 

[Tristan daCunha]

Someone should make a graphical mod where all the units are replaced by sylized females in risque but completely ineffective combat attire.

Oh, just go play World of Warcraft! You can get your fill of it there.

 

[Roxlimn]

Women have never been all that important as a troop gender in field warfare for two reasons:

1) Physical strength and stamina. Women have less of it, period. It's medically provable, so there's no point in arguing it. SOME women are stronger and have more stamina than SOME men, but to do that, you'd have to screen the population for these extraordinary individuals, and if you're going to do that, you might as well go for men, since extraordinary men will still be stronger than extraordinary women.

2) Childbirth. No same tribe puts its women first in warfare since they have more important things to do. Women traditionally grouse about being "childbearing machines," but the fact is, they can do it, men can't. For the same reason, no sane desert tribe puts its only water-finder in the frontlines of battle, nor did even the Athenians put their best philosophers in battle armor. I imagine that in the distant past, SOME tribe might have put their women to war, but those would have had to have been sterile or their only resource (they had no men) or they would have been quickly outbred by more sensible people.


For women in command, strength is less of an issue, and they also typically have better survival rates, so we DO see some women in those positions throughout history. Today, women continue to hold a secondary importance in units like Marines and infantry, whereas they have typically forged further afield in the Airforces, where again, physical strength is not much of an issue.

 

[PolskiKrol]

Wow the thread took a totally unexpected course. Actually, instead of commenting on the lack of women warriors/clerics, I believe she was making satirical reference to the fact that women have different... ahem... *intrinsic* information-gaining abilities.

 

[ggganz]

Ahem, Settler? Hello?

 

[Saim]

I think that there should be a chance for certain units (Spy, Great People, modern units, etc.) to become female, but others (Swords, Berserker, etc.) don't.

It's actually, IMO, even more sexist to have only the spy as female than to leave females out altogether.

 

[ggganz]

Yeah, maybe some way to make it a Female GP when it's, say, Joan of Arc?

 

[MorganLeFay]

Da_V_Man:

At first I was rather piqued that the Joan of Arc figure was a male, but after I thought about it for a couple of seconds, it makes sense. Joan of Arc purposefully outfitted herself as a man, which was one of the reasons she was so controversial for her time.

Why she has to look like Moses, though, who knows.

M Le F

 

[LilPinoyBoy]

Yeah, all of us males would be virgins and we'll all be easily extincted.

Not everything is fair, though I would really don't mind having female units in Civilization Games.

 

[Teg_Navanis]

2) Childbirth. No same tribe puts its women first in warfare since they have more important things to do. Women traditionally grouse about being "childbearing machines," but the fact is, they can do it, men can't. For the same reason, no sane desert tribe puts its only water-finder in the frontlines of battle, nor did even the Athenians put their best philosophers in battle armor.

Several of Plato's dialogues refer to Socrates' military service. Socrates says he served in the Athenian army during three campaigns: at Potidaea, Amphipolis, and Delium. In the Symposium Alcibiades describes Socrates' valour in the battles of Potidaea and Delium, recounting how Socrates saved his life in the former battle (219e-221b). Socrates' exceptional service at Delium is also mentioned in the Laches, by the general the dialogue is named after (181b). In the Apology Socrates compares his military service to his courtroom troubles, and says that anyone on the jury who thinks he ought to retreat from philosophy must also think that soldiers should retreat when it looks like they will be killed in battle.

Yay, rationalisations FTW!

 

[IAM]

When a scout unit uses barbarians to promote through the medical healing techs it should become female if it attains healing with movement.

Nurse Goodbody anyone?

 

[Hitti-Litti]

I'd be more annoyed if there would be some kind of Xena-units. Now it's realistic, women in warfare wasn't natural in history.

 

[Defiant47]

Yay, rationalisations FTW!

Then that small part of what he said may be incorrect.

Personally, I agree with Roxlimn. It makes more sense from a simply logical and biological viewpoint. Men can impregnate other women every few days? (don't know exactly). Women can be impregnated every 9+ months. Therefore, the breeding rate is mostly dependent on the number of women in a tribe/nation. For that purpose, women must be preserved from risky situations such as combat.

Of course, nowadays, breeding is much more of a non-issue, and is rapidly becoming an issue in the other way. However, in the ancient days, this argument would be relevant.

 

[Rabbit, White]

My girlfriend pointed out the other day that barring GPs, the only female unit in the game is the spy. Coincidence?

Of course it's not a coincidence, how many female knights do you think existed? We may not like it but other than a few prominent figures and barring few matriarchal societies that are not represented in the game, women were not widely accepted and/or present in the military and most units in civ4 are of course of military nature.

However, if you take a closer look at BtS, especially if you also enable all the ethnic units by installing the EDU mod (wink wink nudge nudge ) you will see that the European archers and horse archers are female.

 

[Spiro25]

I'm going to get flamed for this.

The following comments do not necessarily reflect the views of spiro25.
Any coincidental relationship to real life is not necessarily intended.

And btw also Settler unit has a female.

Someone's got to cook.

 

[LlamaCat]

the settler unit consists of a man and woman and their two children... woman is needed to start the whole thing off.