The poll to stop any other hitler threads.

[Stexe]

Politics and religion no doubt make strange bedfellows of some of us as I am completely in your camp on this one.


I had to break out my special decoder ring to understand the real message in his post. Dig down deep into your cereal box to get your own and all will be made more lucid.

Ya it took me about 10 min to write a reply because I had to re-read his statements about 3 times each to understand it. Hopefully I translated it for the people not caring to pick it apart.

 

[a4phantom]

Ya it took me about 10 min to write a reply because I had to re-read his statements about 3 times each to understand it. Hopefully I translated it for the people not caring to pick it apart.

I didn't bother to read through it even once, but remember that we're not all English speakers. As for the guy who didn't know about Austria's past glory, that's a major but oddly unfamiliar part of history. Eastern Europe doesn't get much attention in these semiliterate days.

 

[drkodos]

Godwin's law does not apply to this thread at all. You claim that "Nazi" threads (I assume you think that because we are discussing if Hitler should be in the game that this is a Nazi thread) should be removed or thrown off topic. That statement alone proves you're not willing to have an open and logical discussion about a valid topic.

Hitler = Nazi.

It is a pretty simply forrmula that even most five year olds comprehend. Your complete and utter reluctance (or perhaps inability?) to fathom this is becoming comical, sort of along the lines of Joe Pesci's in Goodfella's being a funny guy.

You simply do not wish to hear any other people's opinions and it shows.

Patetly untrue. You have made your position clear and it is one I have been familiar with for over 30 years. You have brought nothing new to the table. Hitler. I have heard all sides of the issue repeatedly and I have choosen the side that not only makes the most sense to the most people, but also furnishes the most respect to those people with the most valid and strongest feelings for his exclusion.

Not so with you. You are a myope with regard to this issue.


AND, if* you are telling me that you would willfully name a male child Adoph or Adolf in western society, then I think you should drop all pretense and just embrace the hidden racist in you that has been screaming at everyone for the past couple of days and be done with it.







* See that word "IF"? Understand how it is used? Stop pretending to being rectally raped. If you are indeed not a rascist, then stop posting things a rascist would post. It is that simple.

I dare you, DARE you to go up to an African American and tell them some of your friends are black.

That's the oldest Au fait, cracker expression of not realizing how racially you see things and is insulting to people of all backgrounds.


I'm done being civil to you, and will treat you as you truly deserve by pretending you never even existed. Get back to fondling your Nazi memoribilla and goosestepping around your kitchen to the sound of Wagner while you pretend the croissants in your oven are human beings.


I'll take this thread straight to Cuba anytime I desire, baby.

 

[Stexe]

Hitler = Nazi.

It is a pretty simply forrmula that even most five year olds comprehend. Your complete and utter reluctance (or perhaps inability?) to fathom this is becoming comical, sort of along the lines of Joe Pesci's in Goodfella's being a funny guy.

The Nazis were a political party, just because Hitler was part of them doesn't mean that he would be represented as a Nazi in the game if he was included. Think about it this way, Mao is in the game but he can rule through Free Speech, Emancipation, Enviromentalism and Free Religion, yet he was anything but that in his actual ruling power.

 

[Stexe]

Patetly untrue. You have made your position clear and it is one I have been familiar with for over 30 years. You have brought nothing new to the table. Hitler. I have heard all sides of the issue repeatedly and I have choosen the side that not only makes the most sense to the most people, but also furnishes the most respect to those people with the most valid and strongest feelings for his exclusion.

Not so with you. You are a myope with regard to this issue.


AND, if* you are telling me that you would willfully name a male child Adoph or Adolf in western society, then I think you should drop all pretense and just embrace the hidden racist in you that has been screaming at everyone for the past couple of days and be done with it.







* See that word "IF"? Understand how it is used? Stop pretending to being rectally raped. If you are indeed not a rascist, then stop posting things a rascist would post. It is that simple.

I dare you, DARE you to go up to an African American and tell them some of your friends are black.

That's the oldest Au fait, cracker expression of not realizing how racially you see things and is insulting to people of all backgrounds.


I'm done being civil to you, and will treat you as you truly deserve by pretending you never even existed. Get back to fondling your Nazi memoribilla and goosestepping around your kitchen to the sound of Wagner while you pretend the croissants in your oven are human beings.


I'll take this thread straight to Cuba anytime I desire, baby.

By these simple statements it shows how shallow and close minded you are. You say that I say "racist things" and called me a racist -- you were NEVER civil with me and you obviously can not debate an issue without bringing personal bias into the equation. The fact you believe I am a Nazi or that I worship them simply because I think Hitler should be in a game is pathetic. I'm trying to debate an issue here and you're resorting to making assumptions about someone. You're obviously not mature enough to understand a simple debate. Go flame somewhere else -- the rest of us want to have an intellectual conversation.

 

[AfterShafter]

...goosestepping around your kitchen to the sound of Wagner while you pretend the croissants in your oven are human beings.

Hey, you can do these things without being a Nazi sympathizer you know....

 

[a4phantom]

Drkodos,
As a Jew and a human being I appreciate your distaste for the Nazis, but if someone named their son Adolf in honor of say a Norwegian grandfather, I wouldn't assume dire implications. That said, I'm sure the name has become extremely rare and that's a good sign.

 

[drkodos]

Drkodos,
As a Jew and a human being I appreciate your distaste for the Nazis, but if someone named their son Adolf in honor of say a Norwegian grandfather, I wouldn't assume dire implications. That said, I'm sure the name has become extremely rare and that's a good sign.

I am considering naming my next son:

Adolf Sirhan Oswald

Any connection people may see to any characters living or dead is pure coincidence.

 

[a4phantom]

I am considering naming my next son:

Adolf Sirhan Oswald

Any connection people may see to any characters living or dead is pure coincidence.

Do you really think that's analogous? Adolf Schmitz, named after grandpa Adolph Schmitz, who immigrated to America before WWI and owned a grocery store in Baltimore, and Adolph Sirhan Oswald? Jews make a point of naming children after deceased relatives to honor them, should every Holocaust victim named Adolf be denied that honor?

 

[s.c.dude]

127yes
133no
their winning

 

[a4phantom]

The Nazis were a political party, just because Hitler was part of them doesn't mean that he would be represented as a Nazi in the game if he was included. Think about it this way, Mao is in the game but he can rule through Free Speech, Emancipation, Enviromentalism and Free Religion, yet he was anything but that in his actual ruling power.

The Nazis were a political party that rose and fell with Hitler. From almost the very beginning, the Nazi party was a cult worshipping Hitler. I don't know how he could not "be represented as a Nazi". Drkodos and I seem to be getting on eachother's nerves, but Hitler = Nazi is about as arguable as X = X.

 

[Nufuhsus]

HEHE...this is nuts! I have been wanting to chime in here for a while but figured I go ahead and get to the end 'fore I made any double post (like any good forumitizen should ).

So many things to comment on but this last post by drkodos

I am considering naming my next son:

Adolf Sirhan Oswald

Any connection people may see to any characters living or dead is pure coincidence.

Are you saying that if you did meet someone who had the name Adolf Sirhan Oswald, you would assume his parents are only attempting to cause distress in those who meet him? Not that maybe he has an uncle, grand-pappy, on one side or other with those names and he has the last name Oswald? Just curious. No Malice intended.

BOT: I think the answer to this is no. The reason I pick no is not because Hitler attempted genocide. So too did Stalin (at least that is what I would call it). I do not choose no because it may be financialy sound for the good folks at Firaxis and T2. I dont say no because he represents Nazis.

I say no because this guy was a moron. He, as far as I can tell, did little to help move the was effort forward. HE WAS USING JETS FOR GROUND ATTACKS FOR CRISPY SAKE. "No I don't want to you use our new faster-than-anything-the-allies-have-in-the-air jets to take out the allied bombers, mustang escorts and gain air superiority. GET THEM TROOPS!"

Secondly, and probably most important, the guy was tweaked! His doctor budy there had him ALL doped up

 

[s.c.dude]

there had him ALL doped up

which is why we should have him in the game

 

[drkodos]

Are you saying that if you did meet someone who had the name Adolf Sirhan Oswald, you would assume his parents are only attempting to cause distress in those who meet him? Not that maybe he has an uncle, grand-pappy, on one side or other with those names and he has the last name Oswald? Just curious. No Malice intended.

No, I am saying I am going to name my son that name and all relationship to any people living or dead is only in your head. I think what I stated was straightforward, was it not? Are you impying there may have been some level of deception or possible sarcsam in my statement? Heavens forbid!



You ever see the show with the comedian named Joe Hitler that couldn't understand why he wasn't more popular in the Catskills?

 

[Nufuhsus]

which is why we should have him in the game

Yeah. Right.

Oh. And he killed his dog...
<edit>If nothing else I have learned a bit af history from this topic(?)</edit>

 

[Stexe]

The Nazis were a political party that rose and fell with Hitler. From almost the very beginning, the Nazi party was a cult worshipping Hitler. I don't know how he could not "be represented as a Nazi". Drkodos and I seem to be getting on eachother's nerves, but Hitler = Nazi is about as arguable as X = X.

Yes, in history, but not when represented in a game such as Civilization. Nazis have a certain belief system that could easily be changed in-game because of different civic options and paths followed. Heck, you could even have Hitler as a Jew in the game (he was 1/2 Jewish in a sense anyways) who practiced tolerance, peace, and cultural paths to victory. Just as Mao is a figure head, not actually representing Communism in the game, so could Hitler be a figure head and not simply be Nazi.

 

[drkodos]

Do you really think that's analogous? Adolf Schmitz, named after grandpa Adolph Schmitz, who immigrated to America before WWI and owned a grocery store in Baltimore, and Adolph Sirhan Oswald? Jews make a point of naming children after deceased relatives to honor them, should every Holocaust victim named Adolf be denied that honor?

Look at the timeline you posited.


Please inform me of modern jews in western world that currently give the name Adolf to their children.

Adolf


How about of New Yorker named their child Osama Bin Curran? You do not think that would have some level of controvesy surrounding it and that people might be taken aback somewhat by having to keep saying that name AND that child might be the target of derision and the focal point of retributive actions?

Nikkah please.


And you are not annoying me so much as keeping me coming back to see what other interesting tidbits might be proffered.

 

[Nufuhsus]

No, I am saying I am going to name my son that name and all relationship to any people living or dead is only in your head. I think what I stated was straightforward, was it not? Are you impying there may have been some level of deception or possible sarcsam in my statement? Heavens forbid!



You ever see the show with the comedian named Joe Hitler that couldn't understand why he wasn't more popular in the Catskills?

Well if there is no sarcasim in your statement I would then ask why would you want to do that as it sounds horid.

And that would be 'no' to the last question

 

[s.c.dude]

Yeah. Right.

you sir do not watch enough of 'that 70's show'

 

[Nufuhsus]

you sir do not watch enough of 'that 70's show'

Actually I don't. I do like it... Too busy watching History

Then I would say it was not self induced but pushed upon him like a Klingon whore. See! He couldn't even do THAT right!