The Pope's Hypocrisy

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https://www.yahoo.com/katiecouric/pope-francis-bolivia-south-america-pope-francis-123587451223.html

or am I wrong? ;)

I didn't know the dude had 1 lung, but he can now add cocaine to the list of drugs he uses and condemns. :goodjob:

Okay, I can see the distinction between using cocoa tea for altitude sickness and snorting up an 8-ball in a seedy hotel room with a cheap hooker, I vote for the latter. But wouldn't the Pope's war on drugs include the source? Here he is visiting ground zero in his crusade against drugs and he's partaking in the drug he wants banned. What next, drinking hallucinogenic tea with Mexican Indians? The Rastas would surely invite the Pope to a doobie...
 
Chewing coca leaves and snorting cocaine are as far apart as smelling gasoline fumes at a gas station and getting hooked on meth.

You need a HUGE pile of these leaves to make just one gram of cocaine. The leaves contain many alkaloids, not just the main ingredient for cocaine. The Incas and Quechua have been using the leaves for spiritual, medical, and high altitude purposes for quite a while now, and as such coca tea and chewing the leaves is an accepted part of the culture in those parts.

The amount you're supposed to chew for high altitude purposes, which is what the pope was going to do, is not going to get you high. At all:

The alkaloid content of coca leaves is low, between 0.25% and 0.77%. This means that chewing the leaves or drinking coca tea does not produce the intense high (euphoria, megalomania, depression) people experience with cocaine.
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To feel a bit funny you stuff your cheek with an abundance of the stuff.. chew on that.. and repeat a couple times, although you are likely to feel nauseous before you feel anything resembling a funny "hey mom I just took a tylenol" type of feeling. That's what Inca priests used to do (in a way) - if you look at Inca murals the priests can be identified by a hamster-like cheek. Still, they used to also take other narcotics in order to see visions - the coca doesn't really do much by itself that you can feel. To them it was a holy plant, and as such the priests used it to get closer to their Gods.

Coca tea is harmless, compared to the chewing, which is pretty harmless by itself. Coca tea doesn't make you feel anything at all, but it's a popular drink (we drank it every morning on my hike to Machu Picchu) because it helps with the high altitudes.

This is a non-story. Even the Bible says to use plants for practical purposes.
 
Is the OP supposed to be some sort of parody? It does not make any sense whatsoever.
 
Berzerker said:
https://www.yahoo.com/katiecouric/pope-francis-bolivia-south-america-pope-francis-123587451223.html

or am I wrong? ;)

I didn't know the dude had 1 lung, but he can now add cocaine to the list of drugs he uses and condemns. :goodjob:

Okay, I can see the distinction between using cocoa tea for altitude sickness and snorting up an 8-ball in a seedy hotel room with a cheap hooker, I vote for the latter. But wouldn't the Pope's war on drugs include the source? Here he is visiting ground zero in his crusade against drugs and he's partaking in the drug he wants banned. What next, drinking hallucinogenic tea with Mexican Indians? The Rastas would surely invite the Pope to a doobie...
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Im not buying it m8.
 
warpus said:
Chewing coca leaves and snorting cocaine are as far apart as smelling gasoline fumes at a gas station and getting hooked on meth.
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I guess its coca and not cocoa :) but the drug is effective in small amounts or chewing leaves and making tea wouldn't work. But I'm not arguing they're identical in effect or concentration, only that the Pope used a drug from a plant other nations want to eradicate in a drug war the Pope supports.

So what does he tell the people of Bolivia? We the rest of the world want you to stop growing so much because cocaine addiction is evil? Will the Pope now visit Uruguay and light up a doobie while telling them to stop growing pot because addiction is evil? Does the Pope know our tax dollars are spent combating the cocaine trade and that includes cultivation of the source plant?

As for the Bible, it condemns sorcery etc and the NT links it to the Greek word from which we get pharmaceutical. Even though two of the gifts to the baby Jesus were drugs, by the 3rd century Christians were fanatical about stomping out competing religions and their drugs of choice - no druggies for Jesus. We cant serve two masters... Thats the logic anyway. I suppose thats why some Christians claim Jesus turned water into grape juice and not wine, the latter makes him look too much like a party animal. :goodjob:
 
I agree with Bezerker. If you support the drug war, which this pope does, and then you go to the Andes and chew coca - a plant the drug war seeks to eradicate from the face of the earth - then yes, you are indeed a hypocrite.
 
What we have here is a failure to excommunicate.
 
shadowplay said:
I agree with Bezerker. If you support the drug war, which this pope does, and then you go to the Andes and chew coca - a plant the drug war seeks to eradicate from the face of the earth - then yes, you are indeed a hypocrite.
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Do you put sugar in your tea? If so, are you sure it's not produced by exploited underpaid farm workers?

But as to drug war: trying to eliminate cartel bosses (in a legal fashion) does little to reduce the huge demand for drugs. As long as this demand exists, any 'war on drugs' will be futile.

As to the pope being a hypocrit: that comes with the job description. 'Servant of the Servants of God' is his title.
 
I love poppy seeded bread. But oh noes, now I am a heroin junkie.
 
You might test positive... Maybe the Pope would test positive for cocaine. I wonder how he feels about drug testing and whether he should take one and enter rehab for failing.
 
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