The Protestant church is the result of an attack on family values.

[Neomega]

I am so sick of hearing fundy Christians talk of homosexual marriage ruining the sanctity of marriage.

The biggest disaster ever for the institution of marriage was the creation of the protestant church.

How.... well some king, (Henry was it?) wanted to divorce his wife, catholic church said "no", king said "I am making my own religion, where divorce is allowed."

So now, a marriage means 'til death do us part.... unless we get a divorce. Thank you protestant church for ruining family values.

 

[napoleon526]

Maybe you should do some research before you blatantly bash people.

 

[Immortal]

neomega, this doesnt sound like your regular posts. Why the change of venue?

 

[Neomega]

Please point out my error in logic.

And I posted this because of the recent SCOTUS decision and the whining from Falwell and company.

I am sick of hearing people talk of the sanctity of marriage when it is obvious to me the institution of marriage is a complete American joke with the punchline being the child custody battles in court.

 

[Johann MacLeod]

well there was also martin luther and his 95 thesis (only like 10 of em where real thesis though, th others were just there so he cold say he had 95 of em )

 

[napoleon526]

People have been able to divorce each other for milenia. The Old Testament gives detailed instructions on the proper way to get divorced. The Catholic Church's objection to getting divorced is a historical aberration.

I still don't see what point you're trying to make, or if you just want to troll.

 

[Mojotronica]

Originally posted by Neomega
Please point out my error in logic.

The Anglican church (AKA Church of England, AKA Episcopalian) was founded essentially for the reasons you described. I don't really buy your logic, but I can see your point as far as it goes.

But Martin Luther's Protestant movement was founded in Germany, and most Protestant churches are offshoots of that church.

So to say that "the Protestant church" is the product of Henry 8s divorce needs is strictly speaking inaccurate.

Sorry, man.

 

[Neomega]

Ok well then....

I'll be back with a thesis that will destroy the Christian church once and for all..... as soon as I get my history straight....


Mwah ha ha ha ha!

 

[napoleon526]

Loser.

 

[JollyRoger]

Try the Immaculate conception itself. I fail to see where that act can be construed as positive from a family values perspective.

 

[napoleon526]

Originally posted by JollyRoger
Try the Immaculate conception itself. I fail to see where that act can be construed as positive from a family values perspective.

It's wrong because God wasn't married to Mary when he knocked her up.

 

[Zarn]

Originally posted by Neomega
Ok well then....

I'll be back with a thesis that will destroy the Christian church once and for all..... as soon as I get my history straight....


Mwah ha ha ha ha!

Which one? You said yourself that some broke away.

BTW, protestants the Catholic Church changed its ways a while ago. I wouldn't burn you at the stake, if you come back. j/k

Seriously, I will respect your decision but I would like to know why you continue being Protestant, despite the changes back then. I guess you guys really don't like popes or something. Please tell your current 'thesis' against the church. I won't flame you or put you to the stake for doing so. I'm just curious. PM me if you don't want to say it in the thread.

 

[Archer 007]

Originally posted by napoleon526

It's wrong because God wasn't married to Mary when he knocked her up.

That has to be the funniest post ever.

 

[napoleon526]

Originally posted by Zarn
Seriously, I will respect your decision but I would like to know why you continue being Protestant, despite the changes back then. I guess you guys really don't like popes or something. Please tell your current 'thesis' against the church. I won't flame you or put you to the stake for doing so. I'm just curious. PM me if you don't want to say it in the thread.

Personally, the thing that turns me off from the Catholic church is the idea that someone else tells you the nature of the divine, and that someone else is responsible for your salvation. You MUST recieve the sacraments from the a priest or you will go to hell. I also don't like the fact that a human orginization claims to speak for God, and it's leader is God's sole representative on earth. I belong to the Presbyterian Church, and while I don't agree with everything it preaches, I know that I won't be condemned or excommunicated just for disagreeing with it.

 

[Zarn]

I understand your point of view, Napoleon. We can't be excommunicated anymore, but I see that some won't like a figure that is said to be closest to God. I think a church needs a spokesperson, if you will. I don't agree with some of John Paul's political arguements (some I do), but I think the position is needed. The Catholic Church is very large and needs some central control to keep Catholics closer together. That's my opinion (just in case you wanted to know it), but to each his own.

 

[Greadius]

So says the Catholic


Episcopalians must be doing something right. On average, they're the wealthiest religious group in America

 

[Immortal]

I am unfamiliar with Episcopalians, from what ive heard they are very similar to catholics other then the pope.

They have bishops doing the affairs of the church community, correct?

 

[napoleon526]

Originally posted by Immortal
I am unfamiliar with Episcopalians, from what ive heard they are very similar to catholics other then the pope.

They have bishops doing the affairs of the church community, correct?

I think that they're the "American" version of the Anglican church.

 

[GerrardCapashen]

Episcopalian = Church of England = Anglicans

Yeah, the Anglican church is very similar to the Catholic church in organization, except they answer to the Archbishop of Canterbury and the English monarch (although I think that the monarch part is de-emphasized now, someone who knows more could probably tell you in detail).

 

[JollyRoger]

Originally posted by Zarn
Please tell your current 'thesis' against the church. I won't flame you or put you to the stake for doing so.

I think we have moved past 95 theses to something more akin to 95 causes of action (lawsuits) based on the Church's failure to properly deal with the sexual abuse crisis within the priesthood. What really gets me is Catholics who wish to wiggle out of their normally expected financial contibutions to the Church because it will go towards paying off these lawsuits instead of building cathedrals. The focus is that "we are paying off the debt instead of the sinners that were amoung us" instead of "we are doing the right thing for the victims that were amoung us."

Not that I have anything particularly against Catholics. If I followed the Martin Luther tradition, I would post my theses on the door of some Southern Baptist church.