The Province of Istar

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Chieftess


--> [20:18] <Falcon02> and please keep Eyr on Pikes

The General wanted to improve our national defenses and chose to build pikes in Eyr.

Thanks, Chieftess. That's a start. Now, would someone please explain why this took precadence over a governor's build queue? As far as I know, we are not running a military dictatorship here, so I am guessing that far too much influence is being given to those at the chat turns. The military leader has no influence over build queues during a time of peace, except that of a normal citizen to post suggestions.

Also, for future referance, anyone who ends up playing a turn unexpectedly, should probably take a couple minute to check the president's thread before starting. In fact, this thread should be standard reading for all government officials.

 

[donsig]

I would also point out that at the beginning of the May 12 turn chat Eyr was already set to build pikemen we did not change it eyrei. Near the end of the May 10 turn chat we had set many cities to building pikemen in the hopes that the new governors would put their own build queues in place. This did not happen. With no new orders from any governors we at the turn chat did what we felt best and conducted many spot votes on what to build. As for Eyr I felt that as acting governor it was within my sphere to re-evaluate that city's build in light of our military leader's request. I know we are at peace but the General's orders made sense to me as Eyr pikemen could be sent to the borders allowing those low production cities to concentrate on building other things. Being at peace does not mean we should stop building military units.

I have laid out what I saw as the justification for my authority and the rationale for making the choice I made. What more must I do?

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by chiefpaco

Better placement of your build queue would have helped me & I would have vocally supported your orders. I didn't look in the President's thread for the governors build queue. In fact, the President has not played for 2 turns in a row so of the people who attended the chats, I do not think it is anyone's responsibility to read it, especially posts buried down a week previously. Our focus, especially in times where players are playing the turns for the first time, is on the turn instructions thread.

I suggest you post your queues in your province's thread, like all other governors. Maybe all governors should edit & maintain their first post to reflect the current build order. Also, if desired, put your queues in the turn instructions thread.

The reason I put it in the president's thread was because it was missed by the president the turn prior because it was in the provinces thread. This was before the turn instructions thread existed, and I will post them there for now on. Hopefully this new thread will clear up this problem.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by donsig
I would also point out that at the beginning of the May 12 turn chat Eyr was already set to build pikemen we did not change it eyrei. Near the end of the May 10 turn chat we had set many cities to building pikemen in the hopes that the new governors would put their own build queues in place. This did not happen. With no new orders from any governors we at the turn chat did what we felt best and conducted many spot votes on what to build.

The reason Eyr was set to build pikemen at that point was because it's build queue was ignored during that turn as well. It had mistakingly built a settler after I had posted in at least two spots that it was not to build one.

I expect that my instructions as governor of Istar be carried out from now on, as they will be posted in the turn instructions threads. A spot council vote could overturn these queues, but keep in mind that chat reps do not have the authority to vote in these.

I understand the military leader's concern that our forces are too small and may invite invasion. However, another city will need to be found to build these units. Eyr has wasted about 40 turns now, during which it could have completed the improvements in it's queue. Had my instructions been followed in the first place, it would now be set to produce units.

 

[donsig]

originally posted by eyrei:

Also, for future referance, anyone who ends up playing a turn unexpectedly, should probably take a couple minute to check the president's thread before starting. In fact, this thread should be standard reading for all government officials.

No eyrei, you should post all your instructions in the turn chat instruction thread whether you think you will be at the turn chat or not. It is not up to the rest of us to search around for your instructions when you unexpectedly cannot be at the turn chat.

originally posted by eyrei:

Thanks, Chieftess. That's a start. Now, would someone please explain why this took precadence over a governor's build queue? As far as I know, we are not running a military dictatorship here, so I am guessing that far too much influence is being given to those at the chat turns. The military leader has no influence over build queues during a time of peace, except that of a normal citizen to post suggestions.

How many times must I explain this eyrei? I did not see your post in the president's thread. Even if I had I would have re-evaluated Eyr's production in light of Falcon's request. Someone, I think it was Cyc, pointed out that you wanted an aqueduct in Eyr. The General made a request and I - as acting governor - made a decision based on his request and what I thought was best. As for the military leader's influence during peace I dare say we should not be ignoring him. Has not every country in the world attacked us once? We would be fools to think they will not do so again.

Finally, either I had the authority to make this decision or I didn't. If I didn't then have me removed from office and be done with it. If I did then live with my choice and move on.

 

[donsig]

originally posted by eyrei:

I expect that my instructions as governor of Istar be carried out from now on, as they will be posted in the turn instructions threads. A spot council vote could overturn these queues, but keep in mind that chat reps do not have the authority to vote in these.

As long as I am deputy domestic leader I will not hesitate to change the domestic leader's orders during turn chat if I feel circumstances require it.

 

[Shaitan]

Time to get the final word. Let the people speak.

 

[Justus II]

As a concerned citizen of Fox Nest, (with a somewhat biased interest in culture), I would like to submit a request to our governor that we build a University in our beloved Capital. Our understanding of these new forms of structured Education has made many of the books of our Great Library irrelevant. I would like to see Fox Nest continue to lead the world in learning and culture, but I fear that we are missing a golden opportunity by not building a University as soon as possible.

I understand that Fox Nest is currently scheduled to build knights, at 5 turns each. For only 2 more turns, we could quickly build a University, which would pay immediate dividends. In addition to the Cultural benefits, it would also increase our research. At 40% science (what we had been running at), Fox Nest produced 21 per turn, meaning a University would boost it by 7 more per turn! Very good return for the investment.

 

[Curufinwe]

Wouldn't it boost it by 10?

 

[Justus II]

No, and I am trying to remember why

At 40% science, it produces 21 beakers, 14 base (40% of normal commerce of 35), plus 7 due to the library. The University adds 50% of the base amount, not modified by the library but in addition to it, so it would be 7 more. Thanks.

 

[Cyc]

Governor. As temporary Mayor of Khatovar, I have posted some suggestions to the public about the future of our city, here .

I am looking foward to suggestions from the citizens of Khatovar, but as our marketplace will be completed soon, I believe the granary should be our next project.

Thank you for your time.

 

[donsig]

Current Istar build queues are posted in the turn chat instructions thread.

 

[disorganizer]

chat representatives
could you please port the order for your chat representatives in this thread?