The remaining Civ

[Louis XXIV]

Roundman, although you might think those civs are more diserving, this oppinion varies greatly

I think the Sumerians, Babylonains, and Assyrians all offered a somewhat unique addition to history (Babylon for their culture, Sumer for their inventions, Assyria for their powerful, Superior, Cruel Army). But the Babylonians pretty much covered all 3 (I guess I should include the Akkadians in that and make it 4).

If we want to consolidate civs, Poland could be Partitioned into Russia and Germany (This is just a joke, take it as one).

By NW Indians, do you mean Native Americans, like the Souix? I think the Souix are actually one of the less deserving civs. They were a nomadic people, their first perminant cities were pretty much the Indian Reservations. They had few victories against the US Army (that's what made Custers last stand so famous, it was a rare sight).

There are a ton more civs that can be added. Firaxis could easily add another 8 in another XP and there would still be somebody who finds a civ he likes that isn't in the game.

 

[Roundman]

Originally posted by Louis XXIV
I think the Sumerians, Babylonains, and Assyrians all offered a somewhat unique addition to history (Babylon for their culture, Sumer for their inventions, Assyria for their powerful, Superior, Cruel Army). But the Babylonians pretty much covered all 3 (I guess I should include the Akkadians in that and make it 4).

Those are all good points, and I agree with them. I just dislike having all 3 because of how much their cities overlap. That's why I'd support a Mesopotamian civ, that incorporates the strengths of all of these civs. I see these as the same as having a Teutonic civ, a Prussian Civ, and a German civ. All different and distinct, but all relatedand overlapping.

By NW Indians, do you mean Native Americans, like the Souix? I think the Souix are actually one of the less deserving civs. They were a nomadic people, their first perminant cities were pretty much the Indian Reservations. They had few victories against the US Army (that's what made Custers last stand so famous, it was a rare sight).

No, I mean the Pacific Northwest Indians, not the Sioux. Someone made a very good argument for them in a different thread.

 

[Xen]

Originally posted by Roundman


Their empire was mostly in Mesopotamia, and the cities between the three mentioned civs overlap greatly. After conquering Mesopotamian cities, the Hittites largely adopted Mesopotamian cultures. They are distinct, but not distinct enough in comparison to other Mesopotamian civs to merit their inclusion over other civs from elsewhere in the world.

no it wasnt, it was more akin to the civs on the levantine (eastern med from south turkey yo egypt) coast, and the Assyrians, with healty doses of the Ionic coastline for it culture, and as for its territory, well, this is a map of the Hittite empire

 

[Xen]

one should note that the region name "Ahhiyawa' can be applied to mainland greece as well IIRC

 

[Roundman]

My mistake, Xen. I had read something different. Thanks for the info, That still doesn't convice me on both Sumeria and Babylon, though. I think my Germany analogy still holds in that case.

 

[Xen]

perhaps it was the Assyrians, the 3rd major empire in the area at the time of the Hittites, here is there map-

 

[aaminion00]

Don't know about the rest of you but I feel kind of cheated. I only got 2 of the civs I wanted (Inca, Byzantines). The Inca weren't even my top choice, while the Byzantines were never really my favorite either. I would've been a lot happier had the mali and ethiopes gotten in.

 

[Roundman]

I've always wanted the Poles. I think that Byzantium, Incas, and Mayans were good choices.

My new 7 choices: Poles, Byzantium, Incas, Mayans, Pacific Northwest Indians, Mali or Ethiopians (Africa needs more civs), Khmer or Siam (something for SE Asia)

 

[Xen]

Originally posted by aaminion00
Don't know about the rest of you but I feel kind of cheated. I only got 2 of the civs I wanted (Inca, Byzantines). The Inca weren't even my top choice, while the Byzantines were never really my favorite either. I would've been a lot happier had the mali and ethiopes gotten in.

almost the sdame with me, i got the civ i wanted...sort of..., but most of the other civs, save the Inca, and mayans I could have done without, though i kinda like the hittites, the Assyrians would have been as cool, or cooler with a 4 horse chariot... I also agree, this was a missed oppertunity to finally give Africa the civ attention it needs, and deserves, its a shame that we dont at least get Nubia, a crime practically that Ethiopia, the Song-Hai, or Mali arnt in either....

 

[Furius]

I wanted Mali! I really wanted Mali! And instead they put in Byzantium with a Fire Galley as its UU (Is it even Byzantium without cataphracts?)!

Well now that's finally out of the way, shouldn't Portugal be Commercial, after all they found their way around Africa and had a sea monopoly (something one can't have in Civ...) for about a century. I'd reccommend it Commercial instead of expansionist.

 

[Xen]

to be honest about it, I would prefer Mali to an inaccurate Byzantium (almost) anyday...

 

[Portuguese]

I'm quite happy.

Port is in. Dutch and Spa are there to be kicked.
Incas and Mayans too.
AoE old friends too.

I'd only prefer Israeli to Byz, but I don't have anything against them...

I'm quite happy
(Besides, that new CIVs traits have been sugested in this forums by me and some others before [dance] )

So,

 

[Zenon_pt]

Originally posted by Furius
I always thought Sumerians would be nice to have in the game. After all, they're responsible for 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, 12 hours in a day, and 360 degrees in a circle. That is so annoying they disserve to get in. Only the English (And now Americans) have made more awful contributions to the world (12 inces in a foot, 3 feet in a yard, X yards in a mile etcetera).
I would be interseted to see how Atari answers (Or dodges) those questions.

I believe that was the Babylonians o 'timed' that science, not the Sumerians.

 

[Furius]

Nope, the Babylonians copied it off the Sumerians.

 

[El Sop]

Originally posted by Portuguese
Port is in. Dutch and Spa are there to be kicked.

Hey, Dutch and Spain are my favourites so if you continue like that I'll make sure to annihilate the Portuguese first in every game I play !

 

[nalves]

Originally posted by El Sop

Hey, Dutch and Spain are my favourites so if you continue like that I'll make sure to annihilate the Portuguese first in every game I play !

You just try it ( in deity of course) ....

 

[El Sop]

Originally posted by nalves


You just try it ( in deity of course) ....

You bet!
Port :die: Dutch / Spain

 

[nalves]

Originally posted by El Sop

You bet!
Port :die: Dutch / Spain

I hope that you are better in the game, than in animations

 

[Zenon_pt]

@Xen

I found this web sites:
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/sbook1c.html
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire (compact history of Byzantine)

I going to look then

Zenon out...

 

[Yom]

Wow, no internet for like 2 weeks and this thread is still up? I'm impressed