The Scottish civ
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Huh? Kipling was English. He was born in India because Britain controlled it and his family lived there at the time. His family's having lived in a far-flung corner of the Empire doesn't make the man himself not English.
If they plan to add Ireland maybe, but gaulish dialects sound quite different from brittonic celtic languages. It's about the same difference as between in-game latin (Trajanus) and french (Catherine). With some exercise you'll notice the grammar is similar and even be able to get some words but not much more.
I still think even modern Gaelic would have been better. Catherine doesn't speak Renaissance french, so I don't think it's that much of a problem. And even if it may be sound unpleasant to some hears here, Normaund would also be better than "middle english", since it was a low class language in Scotland like Pangur Ban explained.
PhilBowles
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Precisely - Britain controlled it. Being a Briton born in India makes one as English as being a Briton born in Scotland. Few people would contest that having English parents makes someone born in Scotland English rather than Scottish.
Wikipedia indicates that he would probably have spoken Scots (=a dialect of Middle English in Robert's time), so it's probably more authentic than modern Gaelic even if it's unlikely to be a language he commonly used. Are people upset that he's speaking Middle English per se, or that he's speaking it in James Doohan's accent?
Stirling's own official website claims it was once the capital of Scotland.
https://my.stirling.gov.uk/services/tourism-and-visitor-attractions/local-history
https://my.stirling.gov.uk/services/tourism-and-visitor-attractions/local-history
"alerting the towns folk in time to save Stirling. hjghjgjgh"
Council websites never change.
Klinn
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Hey hey -- we gotta keep that unique for the Canadian DLC !
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That would be an excellent alternative.Hey hey -- we gotta keep that unique for the Canadian DLC !
Trav'ling Canuck
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Can only be built on ice, provides +1 Amenity, and in the background of the soundtrack you hear Russ Howard screaming "Hurry hard!" every time you mouse over the tile.
The only reason I can think of they put Haddington in is it was the trad county town of East Lothian, aka 'Haddingtonshire'.
Not quite in the same league as your Kyotos, Romes, Xians and Parises. But who knows. I recall Richmond was included in England's city list for Civ 2 because one of the design team stumbled on a postcard of it, and also based the European medieval city graphic on it.
Not quite in the same league as your Kyotos, Romes, Xians and Parises. But who knows. I recall Richmond was included in England's city list for Civ 2 because one of the design team stumbled on a postcard of it, and also based the European medieval city graphic on it.
MaximusPlatypus
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Quill18 suggested that the golf course really should be the whisky distillery (w/ same bonuses) if not for the ESRB concerns. I love that idea.
That being said; gameplay-wise, the Scots are solid. The liberation war mechanic is abusable, (just declare on someone on other side of map for 10 turns of 100% production, then peace out w/ 0 warmonger penalty) and the UI is easy to build in every city. The AI seems to play him pretty well. Bobby the B is pretty versatile for SV, CV,or Dom.
That being said; gameplay-wise, the Scots are solid. The liberation war mechanic is abusable, (just declare on someone on other side of map for 10 turns of 100% production, then peace out w/ 0 warmonger penalty) and the UI is easy to build in every city. The AI seems to play him pretty well. Bobby the B is pretty versatile for SV, CV,or Dom.
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Yet, Toronto's Civlopedia entry mentions that it was a major centre of distilling spirits. At one point, it produced more whiskey than anywhere else in the world.
Read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distillery_District
Nowadays, the Distillery District is a popular tourist attraction.
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MaximusPlatypus
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Quill lives in Ontario!
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Ontario is a large province!
He may or may not live in the Greater Toronto Area.
Grotius
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My only complaint is that the golf courses look too much like American parkland courses, and not enough like Scottish links courses! But I'm glad the golf course is included. Not sure it's that great an improvement, stat-wise, but I still build them because I like looking at them.
Pangur Bán
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A lot of Scottish towns make that sort of claim. The problem is that people without much knowledge of the Middle Ages don't realise that medieval kings were itinerant, i.e. they moved from manor/castle/palace to manor/castle/palace. If they know their town was one of these, they think it's like the 19th century and that means it's the capital. I remember seeing Dunfermline claim the same. But neither Stirling nor Dunfermline were actually ever the capital of Scotland. Only Scone and Edinburgh, pos. Dunnottar in the 10th century.
Mr Jon of Cheam
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I love this, I thought the same.
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Yet, Ulundi is chosen as the capital of Shaka's Zulu Empire, when in reality, his capital was Bulawayo.
Huh, for some reason I was under the impression he was from British Columbia. Now that I think of it, though, I have no idea where I got that impression...
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Quill18's main time zone is EST, which is another clue he's an Ontarian.
