THE TENTACLE THING IS THE TRUE GOD (serious)

[Graeme the mad]

Firstly before anyone says anything and tries to get me banned for spamming: this is a serious thread.


Yes everybody, its true, ive decided that outside this universe that we see and feel around us lives a giant green tentacled thing (it touched the minds of those who created civ2 and they saw it)
IT created this universe and it sends to us its children

Every octupus is a child of the Giant green tentacled thing, and they guide us through our lives.

Now the octopi also wrote (using men, by psychic means) the bible, the Quoran and every other holy book you care to name.
But men polluted them. Inside the book is the true WIsdom: And there are only two bits of true wisdom which are unpolluted, something I have deduced from an not very exstensive study of these books, these are:

BE NICE TO OTHER PEOPLE

BE NICE TO OCTOPI

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I now want to know why my ideas are any less valid than those put forward in any holy book (i do not acceppt because you were the one that wrote them as opposed to someone else writing them as valid becasue for all you know the octupus could be speaking through me)

If you haevn't noticed by the way, I detest religion

Dont everyone rush to condemn me to their own personal hell

 

[H Tower]

Just look at his screen name and title...

(we need a snoring smiley )

 

[Graeme the mad]

True, but read my sig, and I think youi mis the point H-t

 

[G-Man]

It's like the mice in the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". Or like those big psychic tentacles in "Red Alert 2".

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Urantia Book again, it sounds like. Well mad Graemem Ucan rant-ia all you like.

 

[stormerne]

Have you never heard of Cthulhu?

 

[H Tower]

Not hurting others is a great motto to live by. so you aren't religious? big deal, i am, but i'm not going to damn you for not believing. I don't think that you are really that different from a religous person, you have a moral standard that you wish to live up to, that is one of the central reasons for being religous.

I don't have much of an opinion about hurting octopi, but then, I don't know any octopi

 

[Graeme the mad]

I am very different from religious people: I do not just believe there is a paticular god becuase I have been told so with absoulotuley no evidence to support it

 

[starlifter]

The green tentacle in the Blast Chamber of Half-Life is the mother of all tentacles. It can hear you, and it makes dead people!

 

[Graeme the mad]

NO, no you are wrong, you heretic - let us start a holy war (it'd be funny iuf it wern't true)

 

[allan]

"I don't think that you are really that different from a religous person, you have a moral standard that you wish to live up to, that is one of the central reasons for being religous."

Exactamundo--everyone has a sense of right and wrong--I have a very profound sense of that, and even though it does not conform COMPLETELY to certain established religions, most of it is paralleled in faiths worldwide. My uncle, who is a Christian of the fundamentalist sense (although he's relaxed some in recent years), once asked me, "what is evil?" I answered, "any act of ill will--it is not definable in words, but it is the type of thing you know when you see it." Not an easy answer, but then again life is not about "easy answers"--it is about figuring things out for yourself, and growing in the process. God (or whomever you believe created this life, and good and evil) has given us all a mind, and the tools of reasoning, both moral and scientific (and the two are not opposed to each other)--it is up to US to use those for our growth toward being better people. Some people do NOT seek betterment, some are just lazy and some actually seek evil--but I believe (from observation) that most people truly seek good, seek to be better. And that has its own rewards....

Are humans worthy of survival as a race? There are probably MILLIONS or more intelligent races in the universe--it is far too big for us to be alone in it--how many of them prove themselves worthy of survival, to move off their planet before they destroy it (by nuclear or biological war, pollution, or what have you)? And the big question for us is, can we do the same? All the apocalyptic "revelations" given by the major religions of this world are, I believe, warnings--warnings of what WILL happen if we do not get our act together, and work together for our betterment. We know what COULD happen--now it is up to us to prevent it. And whether we know it or not, we have the tools (given by God, if you will) to do just THAT. God will not tell us HOW--that would be like giving us the answers to our test--we must figure it out ourselves, to prove ourselves worthy of survival.

I believe we are being tested by God--and the answer lies not in dividing ourselves up for our slaughter (by each other), but in uniting peacefully and working together for GOOD.

Look at the symbol of the cross--it is a very basic representation of a man, with arms outstretched--it is US, man extending his arms to embrace his fellow man. In other words, THIS is the key to our salvation, to our experiencing "eternal life" as a human race. WE humans are our own key! The message of peace and forgiveness of Jesus applies to this solution as well. Jesus gave an example--his EXAMPLE, inspired of God ("Son of God" could be symbolic or real), is the key to our preventing our own destruction! Is eternal life an "afterlife"? NO, it is the eternal survival of our generations, of our human race! IF we follow the examples (and there were several, throughout the world--and there continue to be several) God gave to us. "I am the way, the truth, and the life" is exactly what it says--we cannot survive self-destruction without following his example. I.e. embrace peace, acceptance, and forgiveness, before we destroy ourselves! THAT is God's test. Are we passing it? Look around you. Then, do what you can to try and change that....

Unfortunately, the early Catholics, in trying to gain some points with the Romans and consolidate some power, probably changed some things to make these events into just another, exclusionary religion--among them manipulating the accounts of Matthew to state that Christ condemned the Jews (I suspect the Romans were quite pleased). The Romans conquered the Jews beforehand, but the REAL anti-Semitism in Europe started with the reign of Constantine, and continued in the Catholic church for centuries (the Inquisition, and general mistreatment). No I do not have proof of that the scriptures were manipulated, only faith--BUT the early Church had exclusive access to the originals, so could it have happened? It certainly could.

Indeed, I suspect that MUCH of the Bible was a confusion between God's inspiration, and human thoughts and "wishful thinking" (be it at the time of writing, or in translations). Religious leaders have quite often had designs of power over people, and mixing self-evident truths with distortions is a VERY powerful means of manipulation--since humans instinctively expect either ALL truth or ALL lies, and remember that the "biggest lie" will be the one most believed, according to Herr Goebbels. No, the truth lies within us, within the reason that God gave us.

And my reason states that if we continue to act as we do, condemning each other to hell and sending each other there, that we will ALL face the "hell" of self-annihilation....

This is my interpretation of God, and the things that have happened. It makes VERY good sense to me.

Let's get our act together, people. It is NOT the faith that you were raised with or embrace that is important--it is what you do with it. And if enough of us do right by whatever our understanding is, we can save ourselves from hell (nuclear annihilation or what have you, and the eternity of extinction)....

P.S. I know this is a serious post among some not-so-serious ones, as it is an alternative interpretation of Christianity based on things which to me are self-evident. But "live and let live" IS the message--we cannot afford to do otherwise.

 

[starlifter]

P.S. I know this is a serious post among some not-so-serious ones, as it is an alternative interpretation of Christianity based on things which to me are self-evident. But "live and let live" IS the message--we cannot afford to do otherwise.

You have some interesting thought and analysis in your posts. Do you believe green tentacles can evolve into a supreme deity? Or must the be created? Or maybe they have always just "been". (j/k)

 

[Ashoka]

The green tentacle in the Blast Chamber of Half-Life is the mother of all tentacles. It can hear you, and it makes dead people!

Well said! (and in very few words - - especially from our friend Starlifter )


Ashoka

 

[CornMaster]

Originally posted by starlifter
The green tentacle in the Blast Chamber of Half-Life is the mother of all tentacles. It can hear you, and it makes dead people!

I hate that thing!!!

And there was like no (easy) way to kill it!!!!

AGGAGAGGHHHH!!!

 

[floppa21]

All religions come down to the "Right vs. Wrong" or "Good & Evil" thing. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Christianity with it's ridiculous punishment system, reincarnation, even Satanism. The Satanic Bible should be called the Golden Rule book. So why does it take an organized religion to get people to figure right from wrong?
As for the symbol of the cross, I disagree allan. I don't see it as the outspread arms, it is a person nailed to a chunk of wood. I dunno, the whole blood drinkin and crap just seems a little strange to be THE religion that Americans follow. But opinions are just that, opinions.

 

[Graeme the mad]

Allan you seem like a good person but basically misguided: religion does harm not good, a moral code is not a bad thing but religion is: because despite what you believe, people use it to mean other things.

As well as this my serious question to you is: WHY IS MY TENTACLE THEORY LESS BELIEVABLE OR POSSIBLE THAN YOUR GOD THEORY

You dismiss other relgions easily because you have been brought up a christian.
Wat do you think btw happens to those who aren't Christian.

You also seem to ignore large chunks of the Bible: the bible is a book of moral code and stories, you can't ignore the bits you dont like, it doesn't work like that.

PLEASE ALL OF YOU: RENOUNCE GOD

I really mean this, REligion really annoys me especially when good peoploe put all their believe into something which is almost certainly not there.

I think yuo missed the point: the tentacle thing was a very serious point on religion.

 

[floppa21]

Wow Graeme, I agree with ya. I just wouldn't have said to Renounce God.

 

[Graeme the mad]

You seem suprised that you agree with me - im offended

 

[floppa21]

Nope, not surprised!!!

 

[allan]

Graehme, I don't think you read my post very carefully. I think you would probably actually agree with a lot of what I said in there. Particularly about the Bible being written by men, not God, and about ALL religions having validity....

"Allan you seem like a good person but basically misguided: religion does harm not good, a moral code is not a bad thing but religion is: because despite what you believe, people use it to mean other things."

It is what humans have DONE to religion that have made them bad. I DO believe there is a higher, more "intelligent" or "advanced" if you will, being--call Him God or whatever. Actually He may not even be a being the way we think of it, but a "force of good"--there IS such a thing as good, and something that makes "what goes around, come around", karma or what have you--but humans who sense this will tend to put a "face" on it or personify it, since that is an interface we can understand more readily. Whatever works.... I believe in SOME external force, though, since I guess I've had a few "near misses" in my life, if you will, plus have seen some sh*t I can't explain (and not while tripping on acid either, although that too could be a portal...).

"As well as this my serious question to you is: WHY IS MY TENTACLE THEORY LESS BELIEVABLE OR POSSIBLE THAN YOUR GOD THEORY"

This higher being COULD have tentacles, who knows? My point is, NO ONE does, and those who claim to are probably talking out of their ass.... This higher intelligence or being is likely WAY beyond our feeble comprehension as terrestrial-bound corporeal beings....

"You dismiss other relgions easily because you have been brought up a christian.
Wat do you think btw happens to those who aren't Christian."

Nothing different.... I used the example of Christianity because I am most familiar with it, but I believe I mentioned in that post, as well as other posts in other threads, that I do not believe Christianity is THE ONLY WAY toward our salvation as a race. Read my post again, carefully this time .... I don't think of "heaven" and "hell" as afterlives, but rather as states of our race if we do/do not get our act together collectively and stop fighting each other over religious differences. I.e., will we nuke ourselves into extinction, or put down our differences and work together, and progress to the stars as a race? This higher being or God, I believe, has been trying to tell us to do the latter--to not fight based on religious differences, but to live in peace and harmony with our fellow man, so that we CAN achieve "eternal life" (i.e. survival of our species).... And ALL religions, if taken allegorically and stripped of probable human corruptions (i.e. things that state "they are the ONLY way" and such), pretty much bear that message....

Do religions HAVE to be divisive? Certainly not, nor do I believe they were INTENDED to be insofar as this higher intelligence (God) inspired them! They are ALL equally valid, each a sort of communique from this higher intelligence, although they have a lot of human corruptions thrown in them.

I do not call myself a Christian, since that word is associated with the corrupted, EXCLUSIONARY religion by that name--but I do believe that the teachings of Jesus were ONE of many examples this higher intelligence gave to us to help us survive without self-destruction (the Buddha was another, BTW)--hardly traditional "Christianity", is it? I just used that as an example, since I am more knowledgeable in the Christian faith than other faiths (even Buddhism, although philosophically I am closer to that than anything)....

"You also seem to ignore large chunks of the Bible: the bible is a book of moral code and stories, you can't ignore the bits you dont like, it doesn't work like that."

I gave my theories on the Bible in my last post. Much of it was written BY Jews FOR Jews, and later BY Christians FOR Christians (or for the designs of power-seeking religious leaders--remember that for a long time in Europe THEY and their minions were the only ones who could read or write Latin--who knows WHAT self-serving crap they put in there).... But the teachings of Jesus are about peace, love and forgiveness--things we had ALL better learn to do (no matter WHAT our faith or understanding) if we do not want to nuke ourselves out of existance.... I think this higher intelligence (God) is trying to help us not do that, but we are missing the message.

This is my way of making sense of everything, and it does not depend on what faith you are--it is bigger than particular religions like Christianity or Islam or even Buddhism (although Buddhism is in many ways more "advanced" toward this understanding). I hope I made this clearer than in my last post.

Again, it is NOT what faith you have (or even if you have a faith or not), but what you DO with it that matters--to the survival of our race! THAT is the message of God, I believe--and it is expressed in all faiths, only humans have distorted it for selfish, short-term gain--but so far in our history, it seems we are not hearing it....

So whether or not you believe in the existance of this higher intelligence (God) does not really matter either--as long as you are working for peace and good, and thus the survival of mankind, then you are doing His work all the same!