Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
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Will check out the savegame when I can))
Will check out the savegame when I can))
The Tribal Elders of Delphi
- Thread starter mrkingkong
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1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Here are some thoughts on our future plans.
Our military is in fine shape, maybe a little too large actually. I would consider canceling the trebuchette in Kirrah. Improving growth might be a better plan with an aqueduct or a work boat.
The extent of our conquests are limited by happiness so I think Delphi should build Notre Dame.
Dostana's growth is lagging too because I had to reroute that last work boat.
The caravans need to be replaced. Our new conquered cities are pretty undeveloped plus we will need more roads too so additional workers are needed.
Si Satchanalai will begin working next turn. Should we leave as a puppet or annex it and start a court house?
I think we should go and capture Muang Saluang since it has incense but Sukothai has no happiness resource so I think we should leave it for now. We could capture Zurich though, they have gold. We also have enough cash to buy a settler and send him to the west coast for crabs and truffles.
Our military is in fine shape, maybe a little too large actually. I would consider canceling the trebuchette in Kirrah. Improving growth might be a better plan with an aqueduct or a work boat.
The extent of our conquests are limited by happiness so I think Delphi should build Notre Dame.
Dostana's growth is lagging too because I had to reroute that last work boat.
The caravans need to be replaced. Our new conquered cities are pretty undeveloped plus we will need more roads too so additional workers are needed.
Si Satchanalai will begin working next turn. Should we leave as a puppet or annex it and start a court house?
I think we should go and capture Muang Saluang since it has incense but Sukothai has no happiness resource so I think we should leave it for now. We could capture Zurich though, they have gold. We also have enough cash to buy a settler and send him to the west coast for crabs and truffles.
Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
((I haven't forgotten this thread; intend to check it out and comment later today))
Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
I think I speak for the Council when I declare that the reign of young King Alexander has been a great success, and I endorse his reign continuing. If there are dissenting voices I have not heard any.
My king, I agree in principle with your plan to grow Kirrha ever-larger. But I am hesitant about the idea of not finishing production of our first super-weapon, the trebuchet. Is there any chance of allowing it to be constructed before the city works on other projects?
I fear that such a powerful weapon, beyond being a statement to all the kingdoms of the known world, would be of great benefit to us should the tide of war turns against us, for instance if another kingdom decided to take advantage of our preoccupation with the Siamese war and attack us.
Another thought that occurs is should we request Kirrha produce trading caravans and recruit working parties before moving onto a growth project?
I completely agree, my liege. I am wondering if we should request the capital recruit workers and assemble a trading caravan before embarking on that project, though.
This is true, but on the bright side Dostana will have finished a granary in twelve years ((turns, really, but I'm going to use years from now on when speaking in character)) which will aid in the city's growth. At that point perhaps we can commission the construction of new work boats?
In my humble view, your majesty, I would lean more toward installing a puppet government and letting the people think they govern themselves. At this juncture I believe the cultural cost of integrating them into the kingdom would push back our social developments. I do agree with properly annexing the city to the kingdom --- dare I say, empire --- proper one day. But I am not sure if we are yet at such a day.
I agree: Muang Saluang is ripe for the taking.
However, I think we should at least discuss finishing off the Siamese by taking their ancient capital, too. Sukhothai has copper and marble within its borders. And I would suggest leaving the Siamese with a rump of their kingdom could foment ill will in the great inter-kingdom community if the Siamese ruler is alive, on the throne and out there stirring things up. Better to put him and his ilk down now while they are weakened rather than leaving them live in bitter discontent, plotting their revenge and sullying our reputation amongst the other rulers. It is possible I could be biased, though, since I enjoyed their 'hospitality' so recently and grew up in a household where the Siamese were fiercely hated by my father so passionately.
It saddens me greatly to contemplate this, since my father took such pains to build relations between our two kingdoms. But I accept your proposal: Zurich will fall beneath our armies and swear loyalty to your crown.
I myself am unaware of the location of the truffles. Can you please point them out to me? My eyes are starting to weaken with age, so please be patient with me.
As for the settling of a new city in the west . . . I support this proposal, but I wonder if it would be best to wait until we have adopted our next social policy. At the moment much investment is being made on the cultural front and I fear that could be delayed with the settling of a new city ((culture requirements for social policies increasing with extra cities)). My understanding is that the realm was going to adopt some kind of political representation as the next great step forward in our cultural evolution ((we did decide this, but as an aside I'm kind of counting on this for future story development purposes
)). By holding off on annexing cities or founding new ones at this stage we will ensure our focus remains on this cultural development. If we hold off and adopt representation first, apart from not slowing down the development of such policy we will also reap the benefits of it once it is enacted and those cities settled and annexed.As for your proposal to offer inducements to citizens to emigrate to new lands ((buy a settler)), I believe if we simply ask for volunteers we would be able to do so within five years. And save your royal treasury much gold in the process.
I look forward to witnessing the wayward Siamese swordsmen near Kirrha perish and the intrepid Zurich spearmen on our border being punished for their impertinence, too.
On a subject I touched on before . . . as we now have control of a non-Delphian city, I believe the political entity you rule over is no longer solely the Delphian Kingdom, but the Delphiah Kingdom within the newly established Delphian Empire. Does the Council agree this is now the case?
So too, does the council agree that in addition to his title as 'King of the Delphians', King Alexander is also 'Emperor of the Delphian Empire'?
MiguelBazil
The "Always Late" One
((Sorry about the delay, but I've been having quite a lot of confusion IRL, and then the fórum where I colaborate has been going through some big internal changes. I'll try to give it a look until monday and give some feedback))
Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
((Best of luck navigating a complicated situation. 
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1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
I still can not post pictures. the city site I'm thinking of is on the west coast. There are two crabs there. If we settle just east of the one furthest from Quebec City we will eventually have 2 crabs, truffles, and salt. BTW Zurich has jewelry in addition to gold.
Our next social policy is still 25 turns away. Is there anyway to increase our culture rate? The conquest of Muang Saluang, Sukothai and Zurich can be done in 10-12 turns and as long as we puppet them there is no increase. The west coast can probably wait until representation since there are just city states out there that won't expand. China did explore there though so we will have to be ready to thwart their expansion plans if we se a settler heading out there.
Our next social policy is still 25 turns away. Is there anyway to increase our culture rate? The conquest of Muang Saluang, Sukothai and Zurich can be done in 10-12 turns and as long as we puppet them there is no increase. The west coast can probably wait until representation since there are just city states out there that won't expand. China did explore there though so we will have to be ready to thwart their expansion plans if we se a settler heading out there.
Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
That sounds like a good choice then, my liege. You have my full support in this measure, provided the aforementioned cultural development is taken into consideration regarding the timing of such actions.
That gives us even more motivation to subjugate them. You give the order; I'll explain it to my father. He won't like it, but he's not chief minister anymore; it's the king's will and the most sensible course of action. I'll make him understand it's for the greater good of the kingdom. He can't very well argue with that.
((That actually works perfectly roleplaying-wise for what I have planned.
)I can't see any viable or worthwhile options at this stage.
Delphi Nova could construct the Hanging Gardens in nine years. That would mostly boost our growth, but would provide some minimal increase in cultural development ((+1, so not really worth the effort on the culture front)).
Kirrha could do the same but in sixteen years. Not really worth it. What Kirrha could do that the capital can't is construct a mighty bronze colossus in twelve years which would provide the same cultural output as the Hanging Gardens. I'm not sure it's worth a decade-long project, though.
Then I think we should do that. We can revisit the idea of annexing them once we have adopted representation.
I am pleased you agree. However I completely agree with your concern about Chinese expansion while we're focussing on culture. I notice that Pytheas's scouting party could get to the west coast hinterland within a dozen years ((in-game turns)). Would that be something worthwhile doing to keep an eye on the area until we're ready to settle it properly?
((From the future planning out of character / roleplaying point of a view I have some questions.
Chief Minister Melda was simply acting as regent and Chief Minister of the Delphian Kingdom during the interregnum. But I thought Bazil was king true and proper. I realise Alexander is a return to the original royal line and that Bazil abdicated but he was a king wasn't he? Perhaps appointed by the Delphian Council --- which historically in some parts of Greece there did exist a kind of council like this which had this sort of appointment/supervisory power over kings --- but after his abdication the Council elected to return to the main royal line.
I just want to clarify because it sounded like Bazil wasn't king, but I thought he was.
Also, Minister Awpathos is still kicking around as a character, isn't he? I realise your player character is King Alexander, but I think Awpathos should still remain on the books for now. If you want to kill him off that's alright, but I wanted to confirm he was still around.
If you want to retire/kill off Awpathos his son's name could be Awpathios, because the '-ios' ending means 'son of'. And then after that in Ancient Greek tradition the eldest grandsons tended to be named after their grandfathers, which means Awpathios's future son could be also called Awpathos unless you wanted to come up with a new name.
I've done the same thing with Melodios, which means 'son of Melda', but Melda isn't a name syntax permitted in Delphian hence his son's name not being Meldios. Melodios's eldest son, though, is named after his grandfather but Melda has been rendered in Dephian as Melodas. My intention is to cycle through Melodios and Melodas for as long as needed, at least until surnames are developed --- probably when we reach the 1400s in-game. I do intend to retire and kill off my characters over time, but I have one last plan for Melda and Melodios before doing so.
Once your third and fourth five-year terms are up there will be about a dozen or so years/turns until representation is adopted. I am intending to put Melodios forward as a king candidate to the Delphian Council at the next possible point after representation is adopted because I have a roleplaying system I'm hoping to incorporate --- it shouldn't impact on the gameplay but I'm hoping it will make things more interesting. So after Alexander has completed his 20-turn run I'm hoping to either have Bazil return for another run, or another player take over, or to amend the constitution so Alexander can keep going for another little while. Because I want to take over as king not next time but the time after that.
Any questions/objections at this stage?))
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
I may have taken some liberty with the story. No offense intended but Bazil was the son of a merchant so regent sounded more plausible than king, but as you say elected kingship is not unheard of so that could just as easily be what happened. Merchants were on the rise when Bazil was in charge - that was when we built on the caravan. So their could have just been a shift in the politics of the council toward war and that is why Bazil stepped aside.
Awpathos was already old during Bazil's reign. He is very old at least by this point. I'm not sure yet if he had any offspring.
I can play another 10 turns this week and try to finish the war then maybe Miguel would like to take a break from RL and play some turns before you take over Melda.
Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
((We could say the royal family was considered an unsuitable choice at the time --- the former king was an old man but mentally ravaged by his incarceration after the revolution, and his nephew might have wanted to focus on looking after him instead of ruling --- so the Council went with an unusual choice. It was a success, but in this time of war King Bazil abdicated in favour of a warlike member of the previous royal family, King Alexander, who would rule and conquer.
Happy for Bazil to play a few more terms if he wants to. Not sure how we'll make it work story-wise. Would the former king take over again? How would this work? Would Alexander be incapacitated in some way? Just looking for an in-story justification for a young, fit, healthy and successful warlike leader stop ruling after twenty years. Maybe it's a case of "Damn mosquitoes!"
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Happy for Bazil to play a few more terms if he wants to. Not sure how we'll make it work story-wise. Would the former king take over again? How would this work? Would Alexander be incapacitated in some way? Just looking for an in-story justification for a young, fit, healthy and successful warlike leader stop ruling after twenty years. Maybe it's a case of "Damn mosquitoes!"
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MiguelBazil
The "Always Late" One
(( I'll be looking into the game save today, but that will only happen in a few hours. maybe 7 cause I'm at my job. If I had some pictures, I could give you some thoughts, but I guess I need the save. The very little free time I had has been spent on Cities: Skylines, and it has barely been any last few days. Still, I'm hoping this week will be simpler and I can get things back on track here and on the other threads.
Plus, I still have an article to write about PC Monitors and I still need to get some time to do that. When? Dunno... Oh well. Speaking of which, if any of you guys plan on getting a new PC or Monitor, I can give you some help on that ))
EDIT:
(( Read the convo, I like the elected kingship idea at this point, would nicely fit with the council and the needs of the nation as a whole. At this point, Bazil will already have a family and kids, so he either is still young enough to rule, or has a kid for that. I may consider a few turns if no one else steps in, and I'll try to make them quicker than the last 5 ones
As for Alexander, I suggest one of the nations abducting him, and we can do a whole arch on trying to rescue him while I rule, something a bit over the top but could be interesting story wise. The alternative would be the council getting worried for the over-the-top unscrupuled war-like personality that could endanger the whole culture plan of the council at this point. ))
Plus, I still have an article to write about PC Monitors and I still need to get some time to do that. When? Dunno... Oh well. Speaking of which, if any of you guys plan on getting a new PC or Monitor, I can give you some help on that
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(( Read the convo, I like the elected kingship idea at this point, would nicely fit with the council and the needs of the nation as a whole. At this point, Bazil will already have a family and kids, so he either is still young enough to rule, or has a kid for that. I may consider a few turns if no one else steps in, and I'll try to make them quicker than the last 5 ones
As for Alexander, I suggest one of the nations abducting him, and we can do a whole arch on trying to rescue him while I rule, something a bit over the top but could be interesting story wise. The alternative would be the council getting worried for the over-the-top unscrupuled war-like personality that could endanger the whole culture plan of the council at this point. ))
MiguelBazil
The "Always Late" One
Oh fearless king Alexander, your coucelor Bazil has returned, and is very glad to see Siam getting what they deserve.
The units I prepared seem to be doing their job well. However, I think we shouldn't ignore the pikeman army sent by Zurich, and he could ruin our salt plantation and give us a nasty happiness hit if left unchecked. Shouldn't we send a chariot archer to help Kirrha bring it down.
It is a good place to send our people, those resources near the sea could yield some interesting profits in the future. But should we do it now, or wait to absorb the reduced happiness from our conquerings? Perhaps send a settling party there, and let it scout the terrain a few years before definitely settling there? This would allow us to at least verify if there are any other... takers of this interesting bit of land.
((suggesting a settler to stay there, protected, and settle only when either ready, or if China, for example, sends their own settler, I wouldn't want to allow them to have a buffer nearby as they are sure to become a threat if we allow it))
We will need a few years before all the war regrets go away. In the meantime, we may require to awe some other city.
Mighty Almaty has silk and they want gems and a technologically superior ally, we're on the run on the second one but it will take time.
Zanzibar has porcelain and gold, and this has been very profitable in the latest trades, but they seem to want nothing at the moment, it would be too expensive to gain their favour.
Milan and Quebec are after Culture and we are in no way dedicated to this, and we will not be able to compete at this point, so they are not alternatives.
Our churches inform me that they predict that we will have amassed enough faithful followers in 9 years to have a religious event ((prophet)), perhaps that could help us in improving our culture. Notre Dame would also inspire our people to reach this faster, but it won't be build fast enough as our master stonemansons are not skilled enough. I believe that faith is the fastest way, even improving our Drama and Poetry would take 5 years, and we'd still need to build something to inspire our people faster.
((drama takes 5 turns and the only building only adds 1 culture, if we go for a culture building on our GP, we could make this go faster)).
The units I prepared seem to be doing their job well. However, I think we shouldn't ignore the pikeman army sent by Zurich, and he could ruin our salt plantation and give us a nasty happiness hit if left unchecked. Shouldn't we send a chariot archer to help Kirrha bring it down.
It is a good place to send our people, those resources near the sea could yield some interesting profits in the future. But should we do it now, or wait to absorb the reduced happiness from our conquerings? Perhaps send a settling party there, and let it scout the terrain a few years before definitely settling there? This would allow us to at least verify if there are any other... takers of this interesting bit of land.
((suggesting a settler to stay there, protected, and settle only when either ready, or if China, for example, sends their own settler, I wouldn't want to allow them to have a buffer nearby as they are sure to become a threat if we allow it))
We will need a few years before all the war regrets go away. In the meantime, we may require to awe some other city.
Mighty Almaty has silk and they want gems and a technologically superior ally, we're on the run on the second one but it will take time.
Zanzibar has porcelain and gold, and this has been very profitable in the latest trades, but they seem to want nothing at the moment, it would be too expensive to gain their favour.
Milan and Quebec are after Culture and we are in no way dedicated to this, and we will not be able to compete at this point, so they are not alternatives.
Our churches inform me that they predict that we will have amassed enough faithful followers in 9 years to have a religious event ((prophet)), perhaps that could help us in improving our culture. Notre Dame would also inspire our people to reach this faster, but it won't be build fast enough as our master stonemansons are not skilled enough. I believe that faith is the fastest way, even improving our Drama and Poetry would take 5 years, and we'd still need to build something to inspire our people faster.
((drama takes 5 turns and the only building only adds 1 culture, if we go for a culture building on our GP, we could make this go faster)).
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Bazil gives me a good idea for the story. Alexander has no heirs and his line will be gone after my next 10 turns. I'll try to post my plan for the next 10 turns tonight and play on Thursday as I'll be heading out of town Friday, or as they say when you live here, "I'll be heading to town."
Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
((As I said, damn mosquitoes!
He could get ill and die.
If he were twenty to thirty when he took over then he would be forty to fifty when that happens.))
Edit: ((There can also be a lost line of the royal family, derived from the former king's nephew who MrKingKong was going to use as his next character before he disappeared. So we should leave it open that there might be another line out there in case MrKingKong comes back. I'm not sure why he left; he was looking like having another go as player.))
He could get ill and die.
If he were twenty to thirty when he took over then he would be forty to fifty when that happens.))
Edit: ((There can also be a lost line of the royal family, derived from the former king's nephew who MrKingKong was going to use as his next character before he disappeared. So we should leave it open that there might be another line out there in case MrKingKong comes back. I'm not sure why he left; he was looking like having another go as player.))
MiguelBazil
The "Always Late" One
(( yeah, in his 50's, an hillness would be possible... Not gonna discard that. But I kinda like the idea of the chinese stealing him through spying and that, it would justify a new-found hatred towards them.
Has for MrKingKong, it must be RL. I went into his profile, and he has been inactive since the end of January:
"Last Activity: Jan 28, 2015 11:48 PM"
I'll pm him, see if that fires an e-mail that he can see)).
Has for MrKingKong, it must be RL. I went into his profile, and he has been inactive since the end of January:
"Last Activity: Jan 28, 2015 11:48 PM"
I'll pm him, see if that fires an e-mail that he can see)).
Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
((I don't think we have any reasons to hate the Chinese yet. Could be a pretty good one!
Yeah, when activity levels were at their most rock bottom and my final term was nearing an end MrKingKong came back and expressed interest in taking over, which I was greatly in support of --- since I'd run out of terms --- but then he didn't nominate and we had King Bazil instead, and activity levels have been not too bad ever since.
But if we could bring back some of the players who were here in the beginning, like MrKingKong, Dostayer, cpm and others that would be awesome. Even if they weren't interested in full-on participation, but dropped in and gave advice every now and then. So maybe we should do that. But I definitely want to be the next king after the next after King Alexander, because I've been working on cooking something up for a while which will be perfect for when representation comes into effect.))
Yeah, when activity levels were at their most rock bottom and my final term was nearing an end MrKingKong came back and expressed interest in taking over, which I was greatly in support of --- since I'd run out of terms --- but then he didn't nominate and we had King Bazil instead, and activity levels have been not too bad ever since.
But if we could bring back some of the players who were here in the beginning, like MrKingKong, Dostayer, cpm and others that would be awesome. Even if they weren't interested in full-on participation, but dropped in and gave advice every now and then. So maybe we should do that. But I definitely want to be the next king after the next after King Alexander, because I've been working on cooking something up for a while which will be perfect for when representation comes into effect.))
MiguelBazil
The "Always Late" One
((You truely are a political nerd, and I say this with the best intent, you seem to really love your history and politics ))
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Melda
Wannabe Psephologist
((Absolutely. I love history and I love elections and parliamentary affairs and processes.
Just last month I read the entire electoral history of the state of New South Wales starting with the first colonial parliaments in the 19th Century so that I would better understand the context of the recent state election, and I thoroughly enjoyed the ABC (the Australian one, not the American one) live coverage of the vote count with the ABC's Election Analyst, Antony Green, who is probably Australia's most well known and respected psephologist.
For the last few months I've been working my way from the earliest English parliaments in the 12th Century to now so that I'm well briefed and backgrounded on the UK general election which is taking place next month --- which in my opinion is too close to call at this stage: neither of the major parties seem to be impressing voters on the current polling; hung parliament likely, wouldn't be surprised to see the Scottish National Party hold the balance of power and side with Labour in exchange for more decentralisation of the United Kingdom, such as the "devo[lution] max" the major parties promised Scottish voters in the lead-up to last year's independence referendum in order to entice them to stay in the Union and which has not been delivered. I'm currently up to the 1950s/60s. Still a way off yet.
Once that's done, I'm going to spend the next year and a half until the 2016 presidential and congressional elections in the United States reading up on their entire history, which I suspect might take even longer than the UK history --- breaking it up over a year and a half means I don't have to read an inordinate amount of material per day.))
Just last month I read the entire electoral history of the state of New South Wales starting with the first colonial parliaments in the 19th Century so that I would better understand the context of the recent state election, and I thoroughly enjoyed the ABC (the Australian one, not the American one) live coverage of the vote count with the ABC's Election Analyst, Antony Green, who is probably Australia's most well known and respected psephologist.
For the last few months I've been working my way from the earliest English parliaments in the 12th Century to now so that I'm well briefed and backgrounded on the UK general election which is taking place next month --- which in my opinion is too close to call at this stage: neither of the major parties seem to be impressing voters on the current polling; hung parliament likely, wouldn't be surprised to see the Scottish National Party hold the balance of power and side with Labour in exchange for more decentralisation of the United Kingdom, such as the "devo[lution] max" the major parties promised Scottish voters in the lead-up to last year's independence referendum in order to entice them to stay in the Union and which has not been delivered. I'm currently up to the 1950s/60s. Still a way off yet.
Once that's done, I'm going to spend the next year and a half until the 2016 presidential and congressional elections in the United States reading up on their entire history, which I suspect might take even longer than the UK history --- breaking it up over a year and a half means I don't have to read an inordinate amount of material per day.))
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
An aspiring psephologist huh? Have you ever heard of Dr. Bruce Bueno de Mesquita? He wrote The Logic of Political Survival, where he actually tries to devise mathematical equations that could answer political questions. It was, he admits an early attempt and points out where more work can be done but I thought it was awesome even though it was way over my head. I had to settle for The Dictators Handbook which was dumbed down for the readers that can't handle calculus anymore.
Anyway here are my plans for the next 10 turns.
Delphi will begin Notre Dame after finishing the sword in 2 turns.
Dostana will continue with the granary.
Kirrha will start a worker after finishing the Trebuchette in 6.
The new trebuchette and one of the siege towers will head to Zurich (whose conquest may actually take 11 turns).
The other two siege towers will continue toward Muang Saluang. This city is even weaker than the last so one of them will continue on without healing (its health is still well in the green). This attack will be backed by 3 chariots and two swords, so should go smoothly enough.
The new sword from Delphi and a wounded chariot will head to our western border to defeat invaders and support the attack on Zurich.
I know you want to capture Sukothai but Zurich seems a higher priority, so after capturing Muang Saluang units will heal and additional chariots will likely be dispatched to attack Zurich. Therefore capturing Sukothai might also be delayed.
I think I will play until Muang Saluang is captured (3-4 turns or so), then post an updated plan for feedback before completing the remaining 6 or 7 turns.
Planning to play the first half then Tuesday night.
Anyway here are my plans for the next 10 turns.
Delphi will begin Notre Dame after finishing the sword in 2 turns.
Dostana will continue with the granary.
Kirrha will start a worker after finishing the Trebuchette in 6.
The new trebuchette and one of the siege towers will head to Zurich (whose conquest may actually take 11 turns).
The other two siege towers will continue toward Muang Saluang. This city is even weaker than the last so one of them will continue on without healing (its health is still well in the green). This attack will be backed by 3 chariots and two swords, so should go smoothly enough.
The new sword from Delphi and a wounded chariot will head to our western border to defeat invaders and support the attack on Zurich.
I know you want to capture Sukothai but Zurich seems a higher priority, so after capturing Muang Saluang units will heal and additional chariots will likely be dispatched to attack Zurich. Therefore capturing Sukothai might also be delayed.
I think I will play until Muang Saluang is captured (3-4 turns or so), then post an updated plan for feedback before completing the remaining 6 or 7 turns.
Planning to play the first half then Tuesday night.
MiguelBazil
The "Always Late" One
((Okay, works for me. Are we really gonna caputre Zurich though? Noob question, if you capture the city, do you get the special resource?))
