The undead

[Tasunke]

:ahem: I believ the Wrinkle in Time series stated 5-d to be tesseract (which I assume to be of same nature as wormholes and space/time- maybe I needed different wording?)

As to the Spectre question, yes to both, but both would need a will save, the second perhaps would also need a concentration check.

The first would be a will save against the binds by its master,

the second would be a will save with DC of the roll given by second will save.

//given lore could be that the caster must posess a greater will to banish the miscreant than that spectre's will to remain active in this world.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Dispite what that work of fiction might say, a tesseract is really just a hypercube (i.e., a 4D geometric shape that is to a cube as a cube is to a square).

 

[Avahz Darkwood]

Dispite what that work of fiction might say, a tesseract is really just a hypercube (i.e., a 4D geometric shape that is to a cube as a cube is to a square).

-Lights one up- Duuude!!! thats like far-out!!!

Personally I am from the 9-11th dimension (of string law) there (ya know the strings that wiggle from up and right to down and inside). Here the undead frolic in a field of silver roses and get absolutely ticked when summoned to the first 3. Forget the 8th dimension it tends to be curled up in itself.

FYI here is a good site to help one "see" a tesseract http://www.maa.org/editorial/knot/Tesseract.html

 

[Rutee]

Dispite what that work of fiction might say, a tesseract is really just a hypercube (i.e., a 4D geometric shape that is to a cube as a cube is to a square).

....Wait, so that key item I got in Devil Summoner 2 has a real world base somewhere? That honestly shouldn't surprise me as much as it does, but.. it's Math, not occultism, so it does.

 

[Tasunke]

AKK! apparantly tesseract has spread through several works of fiction and EVEN INTO REAL LIFE!!! oh noes .... we are being invaded by the tesseractium empire

 

[Kyzarc Fotjage]

Does Cthulu use tesseracts to drive people insane? (those who aren't in his immediate presence)

 

[Avahz Darkwood]

-takes thread topic slams it to the floor, picks it up and power drives it to china-

 

[overlordoftime]

Wait a minute, how did a discussion about the undead turn into a discussion about mortal leaders giving protection to their devouts and then into all sorts of space time mayham?

exacly.. can we please get back on subject. I have a few more question, why and how are lichs in fall from heaven( or in fanasy in general) considered undead? and how smart are death knights?

 

[Tasunke]

I believe that the Lich's bind their soul to the body and keep said body from becoming inanimate through magical means ... said binding of soul similar to how a wraith has an object from their past, however the process of their soul being binded to this world through their newly magical body kills off the actual life of the cells. Basically the way I would understand it, is that their body immediately dies and starts the natural process of decomposition, and the soul-along with the intelligence- lives in the animated corpse.

I personally see Death Knights as being demons rather than the Undead, and that their service on Erebus is part of a contractual Obligation to a Demon Lord. As to their intelligence, it would be the same as when they were alive.