The World of 200 BC - Scenario

[mitsho]

ok critics: the city names in Europe are a bit strange. rethink it. I would give Leipzig to the celts (and perhaps another city in england), but make them less developed. The germans can get another little city instead of Leipzig. Then rename some cities:
the celtic ones can stay, although they are a bit weird.
Leipzig changes to Mediolanum (it's not good, but the best one I can think of)
Cumae changes to Syracusae
Utica moves one north and gets some culture so that it reaches spain. Perhaps give them a settler there?
If you want the scenario to stretch into the modern age, the name for hambrug can stay, otherways replace it with the Jutes, Berlin becomes Praha (modern age) or Marcomanns?
Crete becomes Knossos, Athen could move one to the left (to make it more realistic)
Thermopylae could become Varna or Byzantium
Karthoum would be one more to the northwest, but is ok so
If you have Parthia as a civ, change seleukia to Ctesiphon, if you want to have (historicall correct) another civ,move seleukia two tiles left, give it to the seleucians, which get another city, Antiocheia as capital and place a city where seleukia is now, naming it ctesiphon, which becomes the capital of Parthia. I doubt the Parthian Empire has ever stretched this far (antioch), but ok.. you could move it two to the right.
and you forgot to rename the mongols to hun, otherwise, everything is pretty fine... and don't be upset about my criticism, it's everything only for historical reasons...

mfG mitsho

 

[vsaiyan]

ok critics: the city names in Europe are a bit strange. rethink it. I would give Leipzig to the celts (and perhaps another city in england), but make them less developed. The germans can get another little city instead of Leipzig. Then rename some cities:
the celtic ones can stay, although they are a bit weird.
Leipzig changes to Mediolanum (it's not good, but the best one I can think of)
Cumae changes to Syracusae
Utica moves one north and gets some culture so that it reaches spain. Perhaps give them a settler there?
If you want the scenario to stretch into the modern age, the name for hambrug can stay, otherways replace it with the Jutes, Berlin becomes Praha (modern age) or Marcomanns?
Crete becomes Knossos, Athen could move one to the left (to make it more realistic)
Thermopylae could become Varna or Byzantium
Karthoum would be one more to the northwest, but is ok so
If you have Parthia as a civ, change seleukia to Ctesiphon, if you want to have (historicall correct) another civ,move seleukia two tiles left, give it to the seleucians, which get another city, Antiocheia as capital and place a city where seleukia is now, naming it ctesiphon, which becomes the capital of Parthia. I doubt the Parthian Empire has ever stretched this far (antioch), but ok.. you could move it two to the right.
and you forgot to rename the mongols to hun, otherwise, everything is pretty fine... and don't be upset about my criticism, it's everything only for historical reasons...

mfG mitsho

Upset? Not at all, I enjoy the criticism, I want it to be perfect (historically). Or at least as close as possible. Thanks for the help btw.

 

[KoRnEa]

for the other Asians, you can have Old Choson of Korea, located in Korean peninsula & Manchuria.. (about 4 cities, with capital at Pyongyang)

you could also have Japan as the one-settler civ (located at Kyoto)

Map critiques:

the Han capital should be Chang'an, and Nanjing should be where Panyu is.

 

[vsaiyan]

Once again, thankyou very much.

 

[LLXerxes]

Once again, thankyou very much.

Your welcome.
It sounds like you worked really hard on this map.
Keep up the good work!

 

[vsaiyan]

Corrected map... If this meets all requirements, I need some help with lists for city names for Nubia and the Germanic Tribes. Any suggestions for leaders is also appreciated. But what I'm concetrating on right now is the TECH TREE and the WONDERS/IMPROVEMENTS. Any and all suggestions will be most appreciated , once again, thanks to all those who have helped so far.

EDIT--> Preliminary map removed please consult latest map (available in first post).

 

[vsaiyan]

Ok, I am working on adding the 7 great wonders (or the ones that existed in or around 200 BC), and am having trouble placing Halicarnassus... Should I give it to Parthia or the kingdom of Ptolemy? Currently, it belong to Ptolemy (as they DID try to expand their empire around that time).

 

[Antiochus VII]

Ownership of Halicarnassus depends on your start date (it was Seleucid in 200 BC) - but from the general look you have give it to Ptolemy.

 

[vsaiyan]

Alright the 7 wonders of the world are added (all that existed around 200 BC), now I need more ideas for wonders/small wonders/improvements/tech trees. All help greatly appreciated.

 

[KoRnEa]

i didn't mean that the Han capital should be renamed to Chang'an, i meant that Han capital/starting position should be moved to the northwesternmost city of the 4.

i think the northeasternmost city should be Puyang
the southwesternmost should be Xuchang, or to keep it as Louyang, maybe it should move upwards a bit.

and you still have "Asian Civ" in your list of civilizations.. i really think it should be Koreans, or Choson. it stood for many many centuries, had trade with Qi in 7th C b.c., had conflict with Yan in 3rd, 4th C b.c.(strong enough to be described as "arrogant" by the Chinese) and had a war with Han from 109 b.c. to 108 b.c., which ended in Choson defeat after internal division..

perhaps one city near the barbarian camp in korean peninsula(13), one city near the camp in manchuria(1), one near goody hut(7), and one near fish in east coast(1)...


I think Japan should have the grasslands in the southwest and mountains in the northeast. the northeast was developed centuries after the southwest was..

and the starting location should be in Kyoto, around where iron mountain is right now..

 

[vsaiyan]

i didn't mean that the Han capital should be renamed to Chang'an, i meant that Han capital/starting position should be moved to the northwesternmost city of the 4.

i think the northeasternmost city should be Puyang
the southwesternmost should be Xuchang, or to keep it as Louyang, maybe it should move upwards a bit.

and you still have "Asian Civ" in your list of civilizations.. i really think it should be Koreans, or Choson. it stood for many many centuries, had trade with Qi in 7th C b.c., had conflict with Yan in 3rd, 4th C b.c.(strong enough to be described as "arrogant" by the Chinese) and had a war with Han from 109 b.c. to 108 b.c., which ended in Choson defeat after internal division..

perhaps one city near the barbarian camp in korean peninsula(13), one city near the camp in manchuria(1), one near goody hut(7), and one near fish in east coast(1)...


I think Japan should have the grasslands in the southwest and mountains in the northeast. the northeast was developed centuries after the southwest was..

and the starting location should be in Kyoto, around where iron mountain is right now..

Oops, but thanks for correction I'll make most of thos changes, and probably add the Choson. Thanks again .

 

[vsaiyan]

Alright made KoRnEa's recommended changes (thanks once again). The newest version of the map is now available in the first post. Please do not hesitate to critique if anything is found wrong. If nothing is found wrong, this will be the map used.

*Gets to work on Tech Tree and Wonders/Improvements*

 

[KoRnEa]

Choson city names:

Northeasternmost -> Uprue
Northwestwesternmost -> move once in (4) direction and once in (7) direction (make a land border with Han) and rename to Buyo
Central -> move 1 tile up, rename to either Asadal or Wanggum, and make it the capital
Southernmost -> Han


and i've noticed that Han dynasty of China has 2 starting locations but Nubia and Choson have none.

also, Rome, Carthage, Greece, Parthia, and India have starting locations that are off of a city..

i don't know if this matters or not, but it would if you are going to have starting units pop up in starting locations..

 

[KoRnEa]

and maybe some redistribution of resources are needed.. i.e. Rome should have iron, Choson should have more resources in general, etc.

here's some techs and such.. btw, when does the scenario end?

Great Wall of China: completed 214 b.c.
Confucianism declared imperial ideology and state cult: China, 136 b.c.
Glassblowing: Syria, 100 b.c.
work on Colloseum begins: Rome, 70 a.d.
Paper: about 105 A.D. in China. reached Islamic world in 700's, Europe in 1300's
rebuilding of Pantheon: Rome, 118 a.d.
work begins on Baths of Caracalla: 206 a.d.

Julius Caesar: 100 b.c. ~ 44 b.c.
Wu-ti: 156 b.c. ~ 87(86) b.c.

 

[mitsho]

Tell me a question and I try to answer, but I cannot help you if I dont know how...

mfG mitsho

 

[vsaiyan]

@Kornea: I'll make the changes suggested, and I was planning on fixing the starting location thing (when I messed with the map I didn't change those).

@mitsho: Thanks for the offer. I got a question what would be good improvements for the time period (that could be used generally).

EDIT--> Currently I'm planning on it ending around 0 AD/BC.

 

[vsaiyan]

Apparently I've made a grave mistake, but luckily I've come upon some much mroe accurate maps and will now be able to correct my mistakes! Introducing the new and more accurate MAP! (This will go to first post soon!)

EDIT--> Added a mini-map screen-shot!

BTW the major changes were:
-Carthage now has most of Spain (as they were in conquest of that land around that time), I considered giving them the islands and Rome (which Hannibal HAD conquered), but I decided it would be a bit funner to own Roma when you are the Romans...
-Seleucid Empire back! Capital = Antioch.
-Parthia moved to the North East of the Seleucid Empire. (In reality the area they occupied during that time period.)
**Considering Bactria now...

Map file added to first post, removed from here...

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Vsaiyan: Can you take a screenshot of the area around Iran, and the countries ending in -stan?

 

[vsaiyan]

Sure, here ya go :

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Thanks. If you want, here are some city placements for this region. Also if you want, I'll help you with Afghanistan and Iran to place some cities.