The World of 200 BC - Scenario

[mitsho]

a suggestion to the screen above. Why don't you move babylon a bit south, rename it Seleukia and move dura europos a tile southeast, rename it babylon? this would be a bit more accurate and don't change much...

to city improvements, it is difficult to find things which are ok for every civ on the world. e.g. in the mediterranean, the 'agora' is a good stylish example, but then, they would also build 'agoras' in china and in the olmec state. So that's not a good idea, we just have to rename it to 'marketplace' which I find a bit boring.
so waht do you want?

Then to the seven wonders, you have them included, haven't you? If you do this I would suggest to expand the number a bit. Because for example the great wall would have been called one of the wonders, IF the greeks had known it...

mfG mitsho

 

[vsaiyan]

Wow thats quite excellent, thanks alot Mongoloid Cow, and thankyou alsoi mitsho. I think I will make Mongoloid cows changes for the most part, though.

I know what you mean mitsho, thats the dilema I'm currently facing. I think what I might make a resource like "greco roman", "asia minor", "africa", "asia", "americas" and require those resources for certain buildings (i.e. - the Agora requires the greco roman resource)... It currently seems to be the best option, if I want specialized buildings. What do you guys think?

 

[vsaiyan]

Also, I'm considering Scythia, do you think they would make an important contribution to the game? I'm currently considering making them a couple of far spread cities, and giving them only mounted warriors. Suggestions are welcome

 

[Antiochus VII]

This is a LOT late, but have you considered a distorted map? That is, one that eliminates excess space and focuses on key details (i.e. Rhye but a little better)? The mediterranean is really small here, and you have tons of dead tundra, etc, you'll never use. An example right here from Sleepy's Mod which is only a 180x180 world map

 

[vsaiyan]

Haha, yeah Antiochus that is a BIT late... I don't know, maybe I could make an alternate version like that, or a later version ect. But right now I think I'm going to stick to the map I have. I know the tundra is useless, but... Ok no good reasons .

 

[Antiochus VII]

You can still fine tune - there's always Maptweaker!

 

[vsaiyan]

Yeah there is, but I like bigger maps. But I'll definitely make a smaller version w/ Maptweaker when I have time!

 

[vsaiyan]

Alright guys, I need suggestions for UUs for each civ, as I will include 1-2 for each civ. BTW, It would be helpful if they were already made.

 

[vsaiyan]

Alright, I got some motivation and compiled a list of the UU's so far (see first post). I currently have them listed, downloaded, and accredited. *Note - If you see one of your units here and you would like me to take it out, please do not hesitate to ask*

I need some help now with finding UUs for the remaining ISOs. Thanks alot guys!

 

[Antiochus VII]

For Seleucids: "Agyraspides" (Silvershields Swordsmen) (Kryten) and Cataphract (Kryten)
...but both Ptolemaic Egypt and the Seleucids should have the Macedonian U.U.'s too

Parthia: Cataphract (Kryten) and Horse Archer (Kryten or others)

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Seleucids should NOT have Agyraspides. IIRC by that time they were disbanded for fighting against the Seleucid emperor more than for him.

 

[vsaiyan]

Thanks guys for the continuing help!

BTW: Summer is coming, so hopefully I'll be able to get this out soon!

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Curse you Northern Hemisphereans!!! It's almost winter down here, and its' getting bloody cold!

 

[Antiochus VII]

Hmmmmm.... didn't they (Seleucids) form a Roman Legion (imitation legion, i.e. swordsman) version of the Agyraspides by the early 2nd century. Hence, within this time frame?

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

Carthage made imitation legions too.

 

[vsaiyan]

Well I don't know if I want to use the Roman legion units for them... I know, http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64864 would any of those work for Carthaginian or Seleucid legions? I'm thinking that the top two could be used for Carthage and Seleucid Empire, respectively.

 

[Antiochus VII]

It's up to Vsaiyan whether they're included or not (the phalanx is probably more important in a general sense anyway) - but that they existed at the time isn't exactly in question nor that they formed an elite. They weren't armed in Roman fashion til sometime after 190 B.C. by the way, and there is some question on exact equipment before then but Krytens unit is too nice a flavor unit NOT to use for them if they're included .

"...the royal guard; they were called argyraspides ('Silver Shields') from the nature of their equipment." Battle of Magnesia, 190 B.C. Livy XXXVII.40

Actually there were a lot of 'imitaion' legionaries, they might be included too as slightly weaker versions of the legion without the ability to build roads, forts, etc.

 

[Antiochus VII]

Oops, missed that last post while reading Livy .

I think that'd be fine. You could use those, or even use the regular legion for one or both of them (since it matches the ancient cavalry so nicely - I don't know who you're giving that one to though) and use Kinboat's legion for Rome unless you're using that one as an upgrade to the legion itself. I'd use them as you suggest if you do use both.

 

[vsaiyan]

I can't find that argyraspides unit (silver shields one) if you could provide a link, it would be most appreciated. I'm going to use those legion units as I said before, most likely. And if you can provide me with the link to that silver shield swordsman unit, than I might include that for the Seleucids, instead of a Greek unit...

 

[Antiochus VII]

Ahhh, its actually under Hypaspist (Kryten has a nice explanation of the unit including the origin of the 'Silver Shields' name)

Hypaspist