The WW2 MOD - Suggestions, Ideas, Discussions...
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Jagdpanther
Dying...
okay, what is being considered for each of the main nations?
To start I want to make sure everyone know what I mean by the Main Nations. They are: UK, USA (Might be Western Alliance or something on some maps...), Japan, Soviet, Germany, Italy (these two might be combined in An Axis version or something... no discussion yet).
3-5+ Tank versions each, or even more for some countries. (All of them will be "Unique", that is all will be different in stats and name...)
3+ Plane types for each of these Nations. All different aswell.
Different Infantry units, like the Stormtrooper etc... Will also differ...
Different Submarines and Ships in general.
All these changes will be Balanced and tested, ( if you have read the First Post on Page 9 on the other thread you might now what I'm talking about) and made so that you will have to use different strategies with each Nation...
I hope I answered your Questions. These Above changes WILL be in Version 4.0 of the MOD.
3-5+ Tank versions each, or even more for some countries. (All of them will be "Unique", that is all will be different in stats and name...)
3+ Plane types for each of these Nations. All different aswell.
Different Infantry units, like the Stormtrooper etc... Will also differ...
Different Submarines and Ships in general.
All these changes will be Balanced and tested, ( if you have read the First Post on Page 9 on the other thread you might now what I'm talking about) and made so that you will have to use different strategies with each Nation...
I hope I answered your Questions. These Above changes WILL be in Version 4.0 of the MOD.
Change the Flamethrower on Finish to Molotov. Its a man who have a bottle in its hand and when he attacks he throws it. When its hit the enemy its burst on fire. That way finish destroy solviet tanks on the second world war. In the bottle where petrol, alcohol, tar and something else.
I have a another suggestion to you. Change the marine or some another soldier to "Sissi". Its is the finish elite group and they where usually behind the enemy lines.
and finish air planes in the ww2 where Fokker D XXI-fighter, Brewster-fighter and Messerschmitt G 109-fighter. Fokker 1939-1940, Brewster 1940-1944 and Messerschmitt 1940-1945.
on the ww2 The President of Finland was Risto Ryti.
If you want to ask something about the Finlands army forces in the second world war. If you belive everything that you read on some history book. They maybe be wrong. I now that becose I have seen some of these "great" history books and lot of its information is wrong information. Finish didnt get conquer by the Germans. The solviet didnt never occupy Finland. Finland didnt start the war on the solviet. The solviet did claim that Finland did start the war. The solviet shoot their own troops to get a excuse to start the war against Finland.
I have a another suggestion to you. Change the marine or some another soldier to "Sissi". Its is the finish elite group and they where usually behind the enemy lines.
and finish air planes in the ww2 where Fokker D XXI-fighter, Brewster-fighter and Messerschmitt G 109-fighter. Fokker 1939-1940, Brewster 1940-1944 and Messerschmitt 1940-1945.
on the ww2 The President of Finland was Risto Ryti.
If you want to ask something about the Finlands army forces in the second world war. If you belive everything that you read on some history book. They maybe be wrong. I now that becose I have seen some of these "great" history books and lot of its information is wrong information. Finish didnt get conquer by the Germans. The solviet didnt never occupy Finland. Finland didnt start the war on the solviet. The solviet did claim that Finland did start the war. The solviet shoot their own troops to get a excuse to start the war against Finland.
Otaku Zero
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I have just recently started following your mod, and I have to say it is the best mod i have played I love starting out in the industrial age! I havent played all the civs for it, so If my requests for additions might be there already.
America.
The B-29 bomber, although it arrived late and was used only in the Pacific theater it should be put in for a long range bomber. Finally should be able to carry Nukes.
Soviet Union.
The TU-4 bomber, it was a soviet exact replica of the B-29 and although it wasnt completed until shortly after WW2 it should be used as a Soviet counter to the B29. Also should have the ability to carry Nuclear missiles.
America.
The B-29 bomber, although it arrived late and was used only in the Pacific theater it should be put in for a long range bomber. Finally should be able to carry Nukes.
Soviet Union.
The TU-4 bomber, it was a soviet exact replica of the B-29 and although it wasnt completed until shortly after WW2 it should be used as a Soviet counter to the B29. Also should have the ability to carry Nuclear missiles.
Hi! Great job on the MOD, just finished reading throu this two threads and I can´t wait for a scenario with map and all!
Just whant to ad an idea to this. Is it possible to let a B29/TU-4 carry a nuclear bomb(maybe a early nuke) and make the early nuke just have movement 1 or 2. Reason is that because they didnt fire them with rockets they dropped them. I think this will make the game more interesting because you cant just nuke every city wrigth away, you will have to use a airplane to pass throu enemy forces and then drop it. It makes it a little bit harder to use. It´s just an idea, but what do you think? is it possible? maybe you allready have something like that in the game that I missed?
keep upp the great work!
cheers
Wise
PS. sorry that I post this on both threads did´nt now witch you read.
Just whant to ad an idea to this. Is it possible to let a B29/TU-4 carry a nuclear bomb(maybe a early nuke) and make the early nuke just have movement 1 or 2. Reason is that because they didnt fire them with rockets they dropped them. I think this will make the game more interesting because you cant just nuke every city wrigth away, you will have to use a airplane to pass throu enemy forces and then drop it. It makes it a little bit harder to use. It´s just an idea, but what do you think? is it possible? maybe you allready have something like that in the game that I missed?
keep upp the great work!
cheers
Wise
PS. sorry that I post this on both threads did´nt now witch you read.
WhiteKnight
Chieftain
Please for the love of god don't combine Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy into one country(Axis). Every other WW2 game I know of combines them or doesn't include Italy(Axis and Allies, WW2 scenarios for Civ 2, Sudden Strike, etc...)
I think if I played Fascist Italy would prolly be one of my favorites.
I think if I played Fascist Italy would prolly be one of my favorites.
nonnog6
...Checkmate!!!
Maybe you should create also two diff goverments:
Fascist------Italy
Nazi------German
Just an idea....
Fascist------Italy
Nazi------German
Just an idea....
tcwonder3
One of the "First Ones"
This is to update some of those concerned about the crashes. Our team is presently looking into causes of those crashes. Some of the
crashes have been isolated to bugs in the game itself, which we have no control over. That's part of the reason that we are holding off a
bit on any changes until following the announced up-coming patch (1.18?) by Firaxis, to see if some or all of it shakes out in the wash.
There is a european map on the MOD thread and a file I passed on to be used with the MultiTool CPF method for proper start
positions, however, that is for GreyFox to put out as workable when he deems it OK.
In answer to Bastion, the Il-2M3 WAS the only fighter used from 1939 until 1943, though it did appear to act like a "flying tank" and
was used for ground attack; that's why it was not able to provide any air-superiority. The first model of Ilushin planes created in mass
for the Soviet armed forces may not have been called the Il-1 (model names for all Soviet aircraft were designate as an afterthought after
the war) but it was the primary plane in place from 1938 to 1940 when the Yak-1 appeared out of necessity. The reason you might say
it wasn't a fighter is because Stalin TOLD his military commissars that ground forces were the Motherland's only defense against
potential war and that an airforce wasn't necessary. Remember, Blitzkrieg worked because nobody else thought of it or used it. And,
after the officer purges of 1940 following the Finnish debacle, noone was going to argue the point.
Another point, the entrance of an American participant CAN and should be changed by the creation of a Wonder (Lend Lease
followed by one named German War Declaration). Remember, the US didn't enter the European war because of Pearl Harbor, that just
got them mad. If Hitler, in his arrogance, had not declared war a few days later, the delay might have been even longer. Had he done it
earlier, who knows, Pearl Harbor may not have occurred at all.
crashes have been isolated to bugs in the game itself, which we have no control over. That's part of the reason that we are holding off a
bit on any changes until following the announced up-coming patch (1.18?) by Firaxis, to see if some or all of it shakes out in the wash.
There is a european map on the MOD thread and a file I passed on to be used with the MultiTool CPF method for proper start
positions, however, that is for GreyFox to put out as workable when he deems it OK.
In answer to Bastion, the Il-2M3 WAS the only fighter used from 1939 until 1943, though it did appear to act like a "flying tank" and
was used for ground attack; that's why it was not able to provide any air-superiority. The first model of Ilushin planes created in mass
for the Soviet armed forces may not have been called the Il-1 (model names for all Soviet aircraft were designate as an afterthought after
the war) but it was the primary plane in place from 1938 to 1940 when the Yak-1 appeared out of necessity. The reason you might say
it wasn't a fighter is because Stalin TOLD his military commissars that ground forces were the Motherland's only defense against
potential war and that an airforce wasn't necessary. Remember, Blitzkrieg worked because nobody else thought of it or used it. And,
after the officer purges of 1940 following the Finnish debacle, noone was going to argue the point.
Another point, the entrance of an American participant CAN and should be changed by the creation of a Wonder (Lend Lease
followed by one named German War Declaration). Remember, the US didn't enter the European war because of Pearl Harbor, that just
got them mad. If Hitler, in his arrogance, had not declared war a few days later, the delay might have been even longer. Had he done it
earlier, who knows, Pearl Harbor may not have occurred at all.
Scipio Africanu
Consul
One of the main and sole reasons for the U.S. entering the European War was because of Japan being named an Allie of Germany and Italy in the late 30's, hence the word Axis. Because of Japan having ties to Germany and the natural political alliance between Britian and France after WWI, the US entered war with Germany and Italy. Infact these details were worked out between Churchill and Roosevelt that both parties would concentrate on the European War and then shift to the Pacific, mainly due to the inherent danger with the instability of the European Front. The very fact that Germany had an alliance with Japan forced Germany to declare war in an immediate nature. The U.S. took nearly a year to prepare for its first engagement at Guadalcanal near the dawn of fall in 1942. Even had Germany decided to postpone the decleration of war, Japan being a member of the Axis, they quickly propelled the U.S. into entering into a highly coordinated relationship with Britian and those opposing Axis members at that time. That coordination between the Allied parties required the U.S. to respond to Europe first and the Pacific later. Because of the time it took the U.S. to prepare for war of any nature (with the exception of supplying allies), there would have been no delay in the U.S.'s entrance to the European Front.
In my opinion, had Germany entered earlier, there would be no gathering of ships in a single harbor like that of Pearl Harbor. Remember the U.S. came close to producing over 75% (I hear others saying 85%) of all industrial military hardware during WWII. We might not have had the best equipment in whatever we did, but the U.S. sure as hell had a whole lot of them to throw around. So with those type of numbers, I think Britian would have had a lot more hardware at their fingertips and the turning point of the war may have come sooner. However had Hitler kept his word to Stalin then the coin is up in the air, and I don't know what to call.
In my opinion, had Germany entered earlier, there would be no gathering of ships in a single harbor like that of Pearl Harbor. Remember the U.S. came close to producing over 75% (I hear others saying 85%) of all industrial military hardware during WWII. We might not have had the best equipment in whatever we did, but the U.S. sure as hell had a whole lot of them to throw around. So with those type of numbers, I think Britian would have had a lot more hardware at their fingertips and the turning point of the war may have come sooner. However had Hitler kept his word to Stalin then the coin is up in the air, and I don't know what to call.
tcwonder3
One of the "First Ones"
Actually, the fact that Japan was an Axis member had nothing to do with the US entry into the war against Germany, except for the fact that Germany declared war on the US. The private papers of Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Hopkins (his trusted advisor), that were released in the 1990's after the 50 year limitation on Top Secret documents Act that kept them secret for so long, verified what many historians and Roosevelt critics of the time had accused him of . . . that the US would NEVER have entered the war unless war was declared on them or (Pearl Harbor) they were physically attacked. Roosevelt's papers register his relief that on 12/10/41 Hitler declared war, because otherwise the US would have had to fight only Japan. Those same papers verified that the private, personal agreement made between Churchill and Roosevelt as to the intended conduct of the war was made in secret by both from even their own governments and carried absolutely NO WEIGHT until after Hitler declared war. There were those in the US Congress with great power who could and would have (documented in their own papers) gone as far as to start impeachment proceedings based on Constitutional grounds of the Powers of War clause subversion had he tried to initiate a declaration of war on Germany. We would have done what the USSR did when they refused to attack Japan just because Japan joined the Axis, but never attacked them. Most people don't know that and the histories written by most historians gloss over that fact to make it appear that entry into the war in Europe was automatic when Japan attacked. Roosevelt's own writings say that that was NOT so and that he was still worried about how to get an excuse, politically, to become actively involved in Europe. It was against US political policy at the time to declare war on Japan's Axis Allies, because we did not recognize the alliance as active unless a participant declared war on us or committed an aggressive act. He gambled, with good odds, that the psychologists and political international advisors' predictions that Hitler would do it himself; which he did. But, if Hitler had not backed up his alliance with that declaration, the US would have ONLY fought the Japanese. . . at least until the Germans had sunk another US ship going to England with Lend-Lease materials.
PS - There are still some papers that can't, by law, released to the public until 100 years from the date they were sealed (i.e. 2040 to 2050) from Roosevelt, Truman, and others' papers that might have some equally surprising revelations about the war and its conduct. Much like those released in the 1960's from the Lincoln/Civil War Era. Unfortunately, most western history, once written and accepted for long periods, will never be revised. The histories are written by the victors to tell the stories the way they want them to.
PS - There are still some papers that can't, by law, released to the public until 100 years from the date they were sealed (i.e. 2040 to 2050) from Roosevelt, Truman, and others' papers that might have some equally surprising revelations about the war and its conduct. Much like those released in the 1960's from the Lincoln/Civil War Era. Unfortunately, most western history, once written and accepted for long periods, will never be revised. The histories are written by the victors to tell the stories the way they want them to.
Otaku Zero
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on the crash issue, the game seemed to crash the turn after the industrial age(looking buildings) came.
tcwonder3
One of the "First Ones"
Do me a favor. Some of you who have had crashes go into Explorer and check the length (in bytes) of the patch file you are using. It should read a number like 7,705,244 or 7,705,200 when you right-click in the .exe file and go to properties. If you have a WinRAR or WinZip setup for analysis, find out the total number of compressed bytes in the 9 files included in the self-extracting file. Post a few (I emphasis a few) for my use in a comparison.
Scipio Africanu
Consul
well I must admit tcwonder3, your knowledge of the events leading to the U.S.'s entrance into WWII seems to be a bit more extensive then my own. Of course i'm always a little cautious about what I believe on the internet (hey, theres a lot of bs out there). Anyhow, you seem to know your stuff. I'll have to look into those documents released in the 90's 
.
.tcwonder3
One of the "First Ones"
Not necessarily from the internet. A lot of it is from a BA in History (1971) with a hell of a lot of personal research over the years in my specialty (Military history from 1785 to 1965). I was a nut for Napoleane and my uncle served with Patton and Dad (who's still kickin') was a top gunner on an A26 bomber in the 410th Bomber Group from 7/43 tp 11/45.
A lot of what I have discovered has made me into a bit of a revisionist.
A lot of what I have discovered has made me into a bit of a revisionist.
Scipio Africanu
Consul
Oh, I wasn't saying you aquired this informaton from the internet. Rather, I was just stating that a lot of info you here from people on forums can be.. well unreliable. However like I said in my previous post, your facts seem to be pretty straight and I take them for their worth , no worries mano.
, no worries mano.
Pablostuka
King
Grey Fox:
If you are looking for a Franco leader image, go to http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19497 .Maybe it can be useful (I can provide more pics).But I don't know how to do an animation for the game
...probably someone could do it
If you are looking for a Franco leader image, go to http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19497 .Maybe it can be useful (I can provide more pics).But I don't know how to do an animation for the game
...probably someone could do itHi
Have just been playing your mod with the european map. Everything seemed great untill one turn when the hole **** crashed! I played until 670 AD, cant figure out what´s wrong thou. I get this message, the first stuffs in swedish:
CIVILIZATION3 orsakade ett ogiltigt sidfel i
modul CIVILIZATION3.EXE på adress 017f:00403036.
Registrerar:
EAX=00000000 CS=017f EIP=00403036 EFLGS=00010206
EBX=005cb848 SS=0187 ESP=00abf798 EBP=01360eb0
ECX=0c7df8ec DS=0187 ESI=0c7df8ec FS=42e7
EDX=00000313 ES=0187 EDI=00000000 GS=0000
Byte på CS:EIP:
8b 80 3c 01 00 00 83 c1 58 8b 50 04 52 e8 e8 d8
Stackdump:
00000000 004063e3 00000000 0c7df8ec 0c7df700 01af27b0 000014a6 00000000 0058bf02 005cb848 005121fd 0c7df4e0 00abf804 005993bb ffffffff 004ef898
I'll attach the last two save files here, maybe someone know´s what´s wrong.
Cheers!
wise
Have just been playing your mod with the european map. Everything seemed great untill one turn when the hole **** crashed! I played until 670 AD, cant figure out what´s wrong thou. I get this message, the first stuffs in swedish:
CIVILIZATION3 orsakade ett ogiltigt sidfel i
modul CIVILIZATION3.EXE på adress 017f:00403036.
Registrerar:
EAX=00000000 CS=017f EIP=00403036 EFLGS=00010206
EBX=005cb848 SS=0187 ESP=00abf798 EBP=01360eb0
ECX=0c7df8ec DS=0187 ESI=0c7df8ec FS=42e7
EDX=00000313 ES=0187 EDI=00000000 GS=0000
Byte på CS:EIP:
8b 80 3c 01 00 00 83 c1 58 8b 50 04 52 e8 e8 d8
Stackdump:
00000000 004063e3 00000000 0c7df8ec 0c7df700 01af27b0 000014a6 00000000 0058bf02 005cb848 005121fd 0c7df4e0 00abf804 005993bb ffffffff 004ef898
I'll attach the last two save files here, maybe someone know´s what´s wrong.
Cheers!
wise
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