Think I can salvage this game?

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So, this is my second attempt at Prince level. I can utterly dominate on Noble and decided it's time for a change. My first Prince game ended with a backdoor cultural win by Pericles (Damn him!) and this one is not looking nearly as good. I was warring with the Romans, and after decimating them I was planning on getting my economy back on track when the Inca attacked me, taking my horse city for a quest. I got it back and two other Incan cities and then sued for peace. The most annoying thing in this game is Hammurabi, he has about a billion settlers sitting around and moves them into any spot availiable, including cities I raze and plan to resettle at a better spot.

I think I definitly need a few turns to get my economy back on track, and then it's back to war with easier HC, to finish him off, or Hammurabi, because he's annoying and I hate him.

Take a look at the save and give me your advice. I know Sisitul in the ALC has been in situations like this and come out on top, but Sisitul I am not :(

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7894
 
Other than huge, what kind of map is that? It's pretty interesting.

Why do you ask if you can salvage it? You seem to be in pretty good position. A little warring to consolidate your lands will probably leave you sitting pretty for a space race or diplomatic victory. And actually domination probably too, though I can't imagine attempting that on such a huge map. I would die IRL before finishing.

Here's what I think can be improved:
Don't build Horse Archers when you can build Knights. I guess finish the one in your capital, then build a forge. It's a production city and could use one.

Whip the forge in Rome, and then build a market ASAP. That city is a fantastic GP farm, and though you won't have access to the sugar or Babalonian seafood for a while, even now you have three food sources.

You have a city in the North East which needs a worker.

It looks like you're preparing a switch to Christianity. I think that's a good idea, because right now you're Buddhist, you only have Buddhism in one city, and the two opponents on your landmass are Christian. This will help keep Hammurabi an ally while you finish the Aztecs off.

They are weak, hate you, and will probably only continue to attack your flank, particularly when you invade Babylon to consolidate your continent. Focus all your cities except Rome and the one south of Rome on building units, mainly trebuchets or catapults (I forget where you were on the tech tree). Send everything except a single unit out of your cities and to the south. March one stack at...gah, I wish I hadn't closed the game...the best Aztec city that is currently visible, take it, and then head inland toward the city that is currently in the dark. Afterward, continue taking major cities until he capitulates to you. He might capitulate to Hammurabi, which will bring him into the war. That would be disasterous, so (1)try to make it quick so that the Aztecs capitulate to you, checking before you end every turn, and (2)keep Hammurabi as happy as possible. Pleased or friendly. Thankfully Hammurabi appears to have no large stack lurking around, so even if he joins the war it will be mostly on paper and just require moving your new troops to intercept instead of to the South while you finish up with the Aztecs.

Next time you play with the Persians don't persue the southern tech branch for their Apothecary. It's not worth it. And try not to automate workers, because they create cities which are less specialized than they could be. And never ever let your empire turn into three long fingers which are interlocked with three of the Babalonians. Fighting on a single front allows you to maximize your force. Now you have to finish the Aztecs at your rear before you can even begin to chip away at the purple in your lands.

When you do put the Aztecs away and turn your army toward Babylon, take his cities that aren't on hills, starting with the East, and hopefully simultaneously in the West, if you have enough troops, which I think you should. Don't worry about the cities on the hill, just get ride of the flatland ones in your empire proper, then see where you stand. Either you'll be ready to take out all of Babylon, or you'll be in a tech pithole and need to stop.

But bottom line, focus on war so you can unify your country, and in the short term you can do this by switching to Christianity and building siege units.
 
Uh... 17 times the save was downloaded and no comment :D Looks like you are in so deep trouble no one even know what to say :D

Seriously... You are in a tight spot... Huyana and Hamurabi hate you and you are stuck between them. If you are going to build infrastructure now (which you need at some point) they will probably attack you.

You need to get rid of at least one to make this take a good end.

I think you should tech Aestetics->Drama instead of Banking. You do not have time to build banks right now, you will not be able to trade Banking for something nice - Izzy has it, Hammy hates you. Drama will let you use slider to fight WW.

Build some more troops - you have slight edge, as neither of them can make Macemen... They have Knights however, so take pikes for protection. Attack Huyana as soon as the peace treaty is over. Dont take to many cities - Ollantayambo looks good, perhaps another one in the Fog... - i think would be best to get him to capitulate - saves time.

After he's done you might be able to turtle against Hammurabi, untill you get better techs. Building up espionage might be a good idea - there will be plenty of techs to stel, and if you can get into position, to steal from the more advanced Izzy, and use the techs against Hammy... (Courthouses, running Spy's, perhaps a castle here and there. Teching/Stealing towards Constitution for Jails).
 
Thanks for the tips, guys! I was actually considering giving up, but I'll play this one out. About the workers, I have a few automated, but only automated to build roads. I probably shouldn't have, but I wanted roads and didn't feel like doing it manually.

Anyways, I'm about to go back. I'll convert to Christianity, finish of Cupac and then turn around and punish the annoying Babolynians. After that, it's time to figure out what victory to go for.

Again, I really, really appreciate the help. Prince is definitly harder than Noble (but still not the shock that Warlod-Noble was).
 
Quick update, if anyone cares.

I took your guys advice in regards to tech, war, production, and the game isn't won yet, but I'm a hell of a lot closer. I crushed Cupac, taking a few more decent cities and burning some more, eventually vassalising him (I find it bizzare that a capitulated civ can refuse to trade techs) and then moved onto Hammurabi, taking or burning every city on my continent. He refused to capitulate (or give me Scientific Method) but the peace treaty included the last city on the continent, so I took it. The really amazing part came after the war. My economy and research were in the toilet, I had to switch to Police State to handle WW halfway through the war, but FutureHermit is right, land is power. I'm the largest civ and with civic changes and the right builds, I had my research machine in motion. I had enough EP to see what Pericles is researching so I teched to things he didn't have, made some smart trades, and am (slowly) pulling away with the tech lead. Looks like Space Race is a possibility, but I'm going to try Diplo first. I'm the largest nation and Pleased with most of the world, the second largest is Liz who doesn't have many friends.

Phew, I don't expect anyone to read that wall of text, but it makes me feel good to write it down :D I went form considering dumping the game to gaining the lead and having a blast! <3 Civ4, I havn't logged on too WoW in weeks.
 
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