This website Rocks !(I worked at Atari)

[jackreese2004]

Unfortunately, I never played any of the Civ games until I started working at Atari. I wish I did because it is a tremendous game. (Not a bad job, playing Conquests all day long huh?lol)
I just wanted to say that I think its awesome that you have soooo many skilled players posting strategy/suggestions in your forums. I would like to know how you rate Conquests overall? Do you enjoy/like Conquests as compared to PTW? Do you think Conquest sucks?

Jackreese
(By the way, jackreese isnt my real name..but my real name is listed under the Atari title in the credits to Conquests)

 

[Gogf]

Glad you like it, as do I, but this should be in Site Feedback.

 

[Mr. Do]

Uh-huh... so we can blame you for the sub bug not being fixed and the Radio tech being removed eh?

 

[scoutsout]

Do you enjoy/like Conquests as compared to PTW? Do you think Conquest sucks?

@jackreese2004: Welcome to CivFanatics!

Your question is akin to asking a wine afficionado if (s)he finds Beaujolais Nouveau superior to Burgundy. It's a matter of taste and preference...but the two are different enough that they're not really comparable. Though the gameplay is very similar, they are different games. Some of the differences are subtle, others are profound.

Though the Mac crowd will probably agree that "Conquests Sucks" (because there isn't a version available to them) I think you'll find that those who have played them all love them all.

At this writing I have four and a half versions of CivIII on my machine. I have vanilla , and I have the Game of the Month modpack for it ("one and a half"). I have , and I have versions 1.15b and 1.22f. If you surf around in "Succession Games" under "Stories and Tales", you'll understand why I have 2 versions of C3C....

If you want to understand why and are still widely played, you need only surf to the GOTM forum. When it comes to competitive/comparative across the broadest spectrum, the CivIII (with the GOTM mods) and PTW offer the opportunity to the broadest player spectrum.

 

[LLXerxes]

Glad you like it, as do I, but this should be in Site Feedback.

yeah...

you have the best job in the world.
Do you know anything on Civ 4? If so, could you give us a scoop?
We all here like Conquests, and I personally like PTW (not more) especally the Civ Content things

welcome to CFC

 

[kb2tvl]

I lost interest with c3c. The escallation of difficulty levels and the AI's reaction to the players moves became just too annoying for me to play. As you know, the ai reacts to your moves and the higher difficulty levels are even more so. I just got tired of the head ache.

 

[LLXerxes]

I lost interest with c3c. The escallation of difficulty levels and the AI's reaction to the players moves became just too annoying for me to play. As you know, the ai reacts to your moves and the higher difficulty levels are even more so. I just got tired of the head ache.

So why do you still go here?
I've never seen you around OT or anywhere else?

 

[The Omega]

You work at Atari?
"We're not worthy! We're not worthy!"

 

[TrailblazingScot]

You work at Atari?
"We're not worthy! We're not worthy!"

He said he "worked" at Atari...god only knows as what.

 

[Amenhotep7]

I bet he knows something about YUMBO!.

 

[warpstorm]

I bet not. We never told them.

 

[warpstorm]

He said he "worked" at Atari...god only knows as what.

I'd assume as a tester based on his thread and the fact that 90% of the Atari folks listed in the credits are testers. Still, there are worse jobs than playing Civ all day.

 

[kb2tvl]

So why do you still go here?
I've never seen you around OT or anywhere else?

Look at when I signed up... I played a few GoTM's... I still stop back as time allows... I do not answer questions a lot due to a loss of interest and time... Maybe I am holding out for a new patch...

 

[Shabbaman]

I would like to know how you rate Conquests overall? Do you enjoy/like Conquests as compared to PTW? Do you think Conquest sucks?

Conquests certainly doesn't suck, but the only worthwile addition compared to PTW is the new civ traits, agricultural and seafaring. Or wait. Not seafaring, seafaring sucks. And agricultural is overpowered.

Hm.

Well, in short, c3c doesn't suck, but if you already got PTW it's a complete waste of money. I'd rather have seen that firaxis had made more and better patches for PTW. Or at least make a decent patch for c3c that fixes all the known problems.

 

[SirPleb]

Conquests certainly doesn't suck, but the only worthwile addition compared to PTW is the new civ traits, agricultural and seafaring. Or wait. Not seafaring, seafaring sucks. And agricultural is overpowered.

But wait, there's more!

Conquests compared with PTW has powerful armies, has scientific leaders, has better Communism so that the AI won't implode in it anymore, has the Forbidden Palace / Palace corruption bug fixed, and has the new terrain type volcanos. Or wait. Armies are overpowered so much that they aren't fun. Scientific leaders don't work. The AI now prefers to implode in the new useless Fascism instead of using the now overpowered Communism. The Forbidden Palace isn't fun anymore. Volcanos are irritating and can cause AI workers to go into infinite loops.

To get back to the original question: I think Conquests is disappointing. It has many fun additions to the game. But there are so many bugs and balance issues that Conquests, even after patch 1.22, is not as replayable and overall fun as PTW was.

Conquests should have been PTW PLUS. But it isn't. It has some pluses and has some minuses vs. PTW. And that is a very sad state of affairs. There's no excuse for delivering a product which is in many ways less than its predecessor and there is even less excuse for leaving it in such a state.

 

[Longasc]

Seafaring is the Expansionist trait of Archipelago maps. I undervalued it, too, but it is still better than militaristic, IMO.

 

[Longasc]

I want to add to SirPlebs statement:

I think C3C is better than PTW. But it could easily have been much more better, and it still has ugly bugs.

The sub bug e.g. - this was patched in PTW, now it is broken again. The non-working scientific GA.... heck, there are still several issues, besides play balance and stuff!

They already announced Civ3: Complete.

A complete joke, if you ask me - too many bugs and issues left to stop patching without feeling really guilty!

 

[Shabbaman]

Conquests should have been PTW PLUS.

No, it shouldn't. It should have been Conquests, now it is nothing more than PTW plus...
I can't wait 'till Civ complete is released. Finally a new patch for conquests, for only 30 euro's or so

 

[The Omega]

I like the scenarios on conquest, but that's probably just me.

 

[warpstorm]

Nobody said that Civ Complete would be patched, just that it would include everything. Unless there is more to it that I haven't heard about, anybody who has Conquests should save their money.