Time for some bullying (or not)

[Slibluhr]

I'll check with a technician tonight, but I'm not sure if the smell of burnt plastics aren't an ugly omen...

 

[cripp7]

I've got bad news

My computer died yesterday when playing... and I couldn't turn it on since then please, skip me this time... too bad I can't play from my work...

Ouch, that bites! Hate it when that happens, good luck getting back up! But you'll see these after you do.

 

[Gumbolt]

I will see what I can do in next day or so. I am travelling a bit tomorrow and may not be back to Sunday. See if i can do a round in the AM.

 

[mjg5591]

I've got bad news

My computer died yesterday when playing... and I couldn't turn it on since then please, skip me this time... too bad I can't play from my work...

That sucks Slibluhr. Hope you can get it back up and running.

 

[Slibluhr]

I'm about to cry! My brand new GeForce melted with the motherboard killing the proc in the meantime... USD 300 because this barbarian state where I live has a strange energy system, it was the fault of a 335V peak! it also fried my microwave oven and the UPS of a friend...

I'm now suffering from withdrawal symptoms because of the lack of RFC...

 

[kossin]

Ugh, that's really bad luck there. Did you have a power bar?

 

[Slibluhr]

Duh? I had left it in my other pants... What's a power bar? some kind of cereal?

If it's intended to measure the voltage of the electricity, 335V was the limit at which the ups burnt... however the 9-Series was more photogenic (if that word exists in English): It was curved down with white foam and a brown-yellowish greassy substance...

I'll try to find a computer to play civ, but I don't think that I can repair the mess before mansa DoWs you

 

[kossin]

Some power bars come with surge suppressors, meaning it will shut down when it reaches at certain voltage. It's supposed to prevent frying but I don't know for sure.

MM DoWing us might take a while now that they're all busy fighting each other :S

 

[Gumbolt]

Okies played out 10 turns but I am not great at writing reports.

National Epic is now 1 turn off and I have started on preserves. I have built wealth in 3 cities and we will have biology in 12 or so turns. national park to follow.

Hermitage is yet to be started.

I traded SM for constitution to Yellow Mansa? Then again for military tech.MT i think.

I then traded Chemistry for corporation and DR the following turns to black mansa and red?

Overall not much really top report. One of the mansa is now at peace.

Should of taken some pics.

 

[kossin]

Looks like a good round. I'd farm over Cow-misser's cottages to let it grow.

Instead of wealth we need to spread Judaism to Useless Temples (which should cancel its queue and make Temples after the granary). We also got some health issues (grocers) and could use a few Jails for more if we're ever going to want to use it against Peach MM.

Think we can revolt to FS, it shouldn't make a big difference on research but would add some more culture.

I think we can play longer turnsets since it'll be a lot of Shift+Enter from now on...

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[cripp7]

Dumb question, what's "Shift-Enter" do?

 

[kossin]

Shift-Enter forces an end turn: it skips all build assignments and unit moves - basically you get through turns faster.

 

[cripp7]

Pre-Turn
Taking kossin's advice queue Jewish temples, grocers where needed
Cow-misser: grocer (3)
Horice: 2 pop Synagogue (1), growth next turn
Spear'D: Jewish missionary (2)
Lolco: Hindu Mandir (8)
Frosty: library (2)
Teno: Jewish temple (3)
Pig Farm: NE (1)
Yajoi: lighthouse (2)
Useless Temple: granary (5)

Turn 181
Horice: Synagogue>jail
Pig Farm: NE>grocer
(IBT)
Workers start a workshop in Cow-misser, a 2 forest preserves in Pig Farm

Turn 182 -
Spear'D: Jewish missionary>jail
Frost: library>harbor
Yayoi: lighthouse>jewish temple
(IBT)
Missionary spreads Judiasm to Useless Temple
Workers start camping extra fur for trade, join other worker on preserve
on civics switch, revolt to FS

Turn 183 -
Cow-misser: grocer>jail (3)
Teno: temple>aqueduct (4)
(IBT)
Workers keep building preserves
Black & Peach Mansu adopt Rep

Turn 184
Useless Temple: granay>temple (10)
(IBT)
Worker roads spice, builds farm in Horice, preserve
Black Mansu declares on Red!

Turn 185
Peach Mansu comes demanding Gunpowder..I hesitantly give in

AP vote comes up..abstain

(IBT)
Workers keep on preserves
Lolco: 2 pop Hindu Mandir

Turn 186
Cow-misser: Jail>grenader (2) to replace our warriors
Lolco: Mandir>theater (1)
AP vote comes in

(IBT)
Workers preserve, workshop in Useless, cottage in Cow-misser
Make a trade with Red Mansu

Turn 187
Spear'D: jail>granader (5)
Lolco: theater>grocer (7)
Teno: aqueduct>jail (4)
Pig Farm: grocer>jail (6)
(IBT)
Worker lumbermill in Cow-misser, preserves

Turn 188
Peach asks to join in his war...sorry
Biology>queue up Physics, Astro first for trade bait
Cow-misser: grenader>grenader (2)
Horice: jail>grocer
(IBT)
Worker roads fur, more preserves
Teno: jail
Pig Farm: switch to NP
Trade with Peach for some

Turn 189
Red Mansu asks to join his war...no

Teno: jail>
(IBT)
Yellow makes peace with Red.

Turn 190
Cow-misser: grenader>bank
Yayoi: Jewish temple>alter
Useless Temple: temple>lighthouse
(IBT)
Peach made peace with Orange
Loclo: grocer

Turn 191
Spear'D: grenader>grocer
Lolco: grocer>jail Hire 2
Frost: harbor>
Horice: grocer

Turn 192
Horice: grocer>Buddhist temple hire

Turn 193
kill slider to build
Yayoi: alter

Turn 194
Horice: temple>
Yayoi: alter>harbor

Turn 195
Spear'd: grocer>aqueduct
AP vote..abstain (missed screen)
(IBT)
Black made peace with Red


Stop here
Just lots of infrastructure
Trades: Orange will trade Bio>Astro+Rifle+90+map

Spoiler :

 

[mlinneak]

So I'm up right? I can't look at the save now, will have to dl it when I get home from work. In the meantime, I am guessing I will just continue to build culture buildings in our three cities and maintain what we have. Do we have many / any spies? Should I focus any production on them at all? We may need them to destroy production on the Mansas that are ahead.

 

[kossin]

Looks like another good set

We need 3 more Hindu temples for the last Hindu Mandir: Frosty, Yayoi (Moai could go here), Useless Temples

The other good news is buddhism has spread to 2 cities. Use OR to spread it to the other cities, build temples everywhere and then build the Stupas in the 3 cities.

I'd go ahead and revolt to Caste+REP now and later Pacifism as soon as we're done spreading Buddhism.

BTW, Pig Farm should be running Artists, not a priest and engineer. Check cities when they grow so we don't get jinxed with spy specialists instead of artists.

Lolco should get the Hermitage next, and queue the Jewish Synagogue afterwards (fast now that we've got stone).

Every city but the 3 culture ones should focus on improvements so we can keep the slider at 100% by building in those cities!

Adjust the EP slider so we see Black and Red MM's demographics again. Should take 1 or 2 turns at most. Refocus on peach or whoever after.

To slow blue MM, I'd do the following, and maybe add anymore you can. A dogpile should take care of any attempt he makes at culture.

We can trade for Rifling+Astronomy too with Orange MM, I think I'd take the deal.

Check resource deals, maybe we can get a few more gpt.

Guess it's time to raise the slider.

Lastly, for the Great Artists, do the math for settling vs. bombing.

Bomb = 4000
settling = 12*modifiers*number of turns to legendary i.e. ((50 000-current culture)/current culture rate)

For example, if Horice was our worst culture city:
12*200%*(50,000-1955)/240 = 4804.5 > 4000 so settle. (done with slider at 100% and some tile changes)

We should have enough to defy any UN resolutions to take us out of Caste+REP+Pacifism later on.

What should we do in the case of a GE/GM popping? Creative Constructions/Sid's Sushi could be options but they require Medicine and Combustion... I suppose we could always steal them from Peach MM.

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[cripp7]

One thing that's always bothered me in higher level games is the power levels. Right now we're at 0.5, don't we have to worry about being declared on?

 

[kossin]

Pleased MM is unlikely to DoW us, with a 90% override. We can always whip/draft Rifles in emergency.
Keeping them in a war is also a good solution. Notice we don't have any Worst Enemy anymore due to Free Religion.

 

[mlinneak]

Ok, got it.

Spread Budd, build temples, hire artists, revolt to Caste+REP and other suggestions will be implemented shortly.

Should be able to play now and post shortly

 

[mlinneak]

IT 1350 AD Bribe Peach for his map and to DoW on Blue for mil trad + chem
-Adjust EPs
-Trade bio to Orange for rifling + astro + map + 90 gold
-Switch specs in Pig Farm to artists
-Renegotiate deals:
=cow to Yellow 3g -> 4g
=ivory to Red 3g -> 5g
=banana to Black 3g -> 5g
=copper to Blue 4g + wine -> 7g + wine
=rice to Orange 2g -> 3g
-Tech path appears to already be chosen, was set to physics -> electricity
-Adopt caste + rep
-Queued Hindu temples in Frosty, Yayoi, Useless Temples

1360 AD Lolco jail -> Hermitage
-Yellow wins AP

-Orange DoW on Peach

1370 AD Cow-misser bank -> Budd Miss

1380 AD Cow-misser miss -> miss
-Spear'd aqueduct -> uni
-Lolco gets Buddhism

1390 AD Useless Temples Hindu temple -> harbor

1400 AD Cow-misser miss -> miss
-Black built SoL

1410 AD We are 4th in Culture

-Cow-misser miss -> miss
-All workable tiles seem to be improved, we need rails to employ our workers now
-Adjust science slider to get physics in 9 then will switch to culture slider

1420 AD Cow-misser miss -> Budd temple
-Frosty gets Buddhism
-Pig Farm gets Buddhism

1430 AD Cow-misser temple -> miss
-Spear'd uni -> observ
-Frosty Hindu temple -> Budd temple
-Teno gets Budd
-Teno wealth -> Budd temple

1440 AD Red will trade dem + 50g + map for bio - we don't hold a monopoly on bio so I take the deal
-Cow-misser miss -> miss
-Teno temple -> wealth
-Pig Farm jail -> Jewish Synogogue
-We get a great artist - refer to notes and send to Horice to settle
-Yellow built the Kremlin

1450 AD Lolco Hermitage -> Synogogue
-Useless Temples harbor -> customs house
-AP vote comes up for diplomatic victory, we abstain
-Spear'd gets Budd
-Settle Ling Lun in Horice

1460 AD Cow-misser miss -> miss
-Spear'd observ -> Budd temple
-Peach did not win AP victory

1470 Cow-misser last needed Budd miss -> observ
-Frosty Budd temple -> customs house
-Useless temples gets Budd
-There is an Aztec revolt in Awkar!

1480 AD Spear'd Budd temple -> wealth
-Orange and Peach make peace
-Horice culture -> Buddhist Stupa

1490 AD physics is in, electricity was already slotted

-Yayoi gets Budd
-Uranium popped at Pig Farm, workers are mining it now
-Uranium also popped in a very unfortunate spot by Horice. I left that one alone, we could mine it to trade but with the resource at Pig Farm we don't need to.

-Stopped here. We can run 80% culture and still make 14 gold / turn at this time.
-All three religions are in all of our cities

-Please renegotiate fish to Peach for an additional 5 gold, and copper to Blue for an extra 1 gold
-Some Mansas will trade techs but we have nothing to give in return

-The last Hindu temple is being built in Yayoi which will need to work on a Buddhist temple next

An overview-

Our culture cites and capital-

EDIT - I had to change specs in cities multiple times. The governor was really set on running spy specs. I did not check them right before this save so they may need to be adjusted again.

And the save ~

 

[kossin]

Looks good , don't know how you actually managed to spread Buddhism so well, it always seem to fail for me in my games!

A few things I don't get

What exactly did researching Physics give us? If anything researching Communism for the extra might have been acceptable but Physics did nothing for our Culture... plus we don't even have access to Uranium before Fission!
Some tile improvements puzzle me...
Focus and stick to the city's specialization.
Will someone finally farm/workshop over Cow-misser?
Spear'D doesn't need a plains cottage!
Yayoi - why is it working so many Scientists? We don't need or want research, even less a GS! In the same line of thought, why are Universities/Observatories being built in cities when we don't want to use the science slider anymore???
Custom Houses are some of the worst hammer-wise poor investments. Useless Temples could certainly use a Buddhist temple before that. :Commerce: does -nothing- to help build wealth.

I guess my settling GAs wasn't really clear... I used Horice as an example for the maths... you need to settle it in the lagging city, not the leading one. ->Pigfarm is the lagger here.

Lolco: reassign tiles for more food and work the dye.
Horice: work the farms to grow

I think Peach Mansa could use Rifling to help his fight against blue Mansa. In any case, war doesn't seem to be affecting Blue MM too much.

Horice and Lolco need to grow grow grow before working artists specialists!
I think farming over Teno's iron so we can farm pigfarm's 2 grasslands (can't be bothered to wait anymore) would be better now.

Reassign the EP weight so we can actually steal something from someone. Orange looks like a good candidate. Our steal rate is about 45% the original price >>> researching ourselves. Other option is to focus on Blue MM and start sabotaging his stuff/revolting cities (sabotage a Security bureau first if it's there).

I'd also add Security Bureaus to the 3 Culture cities once they're done with the Cathedrals (then build culture).

Revolt -> Pacifism and turn slider up to 100%

We should still win as Blue MM's last city will lag behind our worst if we manage things properly.

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