Time to get mobilized!
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less effective in conquests since we no longer get the extra shield for artillery and i guess bombers. also in conquests if you start a peacetime build and then switch to mobilization it will auto-switch your build to a military build. vanilla didn't do that.
even so i use mobilization in most games. when you only have 20 turns till domination what exactly is the purpose of ANY new infrastructure? well, in a milking game it matters of course. it also makes a better looking empire. but if you are strictly going for the quickest possible end to the game i would say churn out the units under mobilization and get the thing overwith.
even so i use mobilization in most games. when you only have 20 turns till domination what exactly is the purpose of ANY new infrastructure? well, in a milking game it matters of course. it also makes a better looking empire. but if you are strictly going for the quickest possible end to the game i would say churn out the units under mobilization and get the thing overwith.
Optional
Deity
Yeah, thanks, Othniel, I've now read that. It seems to make a huge difference indeed whether you're playing Vanilla or Conquests. Main difference that in Vanilla you could still finish everything you were building, while in Conquests everything gets auto-switched to military, meaning you lose lots of shields that you had invested in expensive projects. And you can't even build artillery, if I understand correctly.
So, like Rysingsun says, it depends on what type of game you're playing. If you're not going for conquest or domination, you would probably only use it in an emergency. But if you have the tech, and it serves your win condition, yeah, why not use it?
In Vanilla you should probably use it every time, it almost seems exploitative, so strong it was there.
So, mister Capnvonbaron, don't get too used to this, cos otherwise you won't like the switch to Conquests!
capnvonbaron
Democratia gladii
So, mister Capnvonbaron, don't get too used to this, cos otherwise you won't like the switch to Conquests!
You said it. No matter, I've still yet to use it to any great extent. Maybe when I eventually go for my monarchy space-race win
Higher Game
National Socialist
I frequently use it. Don't forget that at its heart, Civilization is a war game, and there's little purpose in infrastructure once you have banks, universities, and factories in your cities. It's a very powerful tool for overrunning a neighbor or two.
EDIT: Apostrophe Nazi, I am.
EDIT: Apostrophe Nazi, I am.
Hmmm... diplomatic, space, and 20k victory conditions can get won without any war whatsoever (and take some impressive HoF times, though not necessarily the top spots). You need war for conquest and domination. One can win a histographic or 100k game at lower levels without any war (I suspect even up to and including Emperor), and only at higher levels do you need war to win. 3 victory conditions that don't require war, 2 do, and the other 2 come out as indeterminate. Nope... civ III at its heart isn't fundamentally a war game.
it kndi depends on how you play it, doesnt it?
Fiddlin Nero
Prince
Just had the opportunity to use Mobilization. I'm just a bit ahead in Tech and got Tanks enabled. I Mobilized in peace time with a clear intent to declare war as soon as I had an adequate supply of Tanks. By the time the AI was generating Tanks I was half-way to my resource objective. Tanks and Infantry versus Cavalry and Infantry was sweet while it lasted.
Jokeslayer
Dedicated
Well, if you can play it as not a war game, it can't fundamentally be a war game.
darski
Regent in Training
Higher Game
National Socialist
You need defensive strategies if you're going for a "peaceful" win. Even if you never attack anyone else, you need ways to protect yourself. War isn't necessary, but it's still the point of the game.
Darski said:
Jokeslayer's statement doesn't imply that they can't.
Higher Game said:
And "Wrestling is Real!" Seriously, I have a 1st place HoF finish where I never fired a single shot, and I think the second place game on that table also never fired a shot. I took second in a gauntlet without firing a single shot.
Jokeslayer
Dedicated
So... um... who is going to tell the AI they can't have wars?
Me. Because if they do, I'll smash them with my tanks.
Wait. That doesn't sound right...
Jokeslayer
Dedicated
Surely these should be the other way around? (Though not strictly necessary, as spoonwood's examples show, most games involve war and almost all involve at least building a military of some kind)
darski
Regent in Training
@ Doug... I saw your post before I signed in. they are normally not available to me.
So let me get this straight; you are telling us that not a single shot was fired by anyone in your game. You have the saves and can prove that not one single AI ever even snatched a worker from another Civ. yeah like I am going to believe that.
At first you were annoying with your foolish argumentation but now it is just pathetic. I will pray for you.
BTW, I still have you on ignore so I won't see your argument to this.
So let me get this straight; you are telling us that not a single shot was fired by anyone in your game. You have the saves and can prove that not one single AI ever even snatched a worker from another Civ. yeah like I am going to believe that.
At first you were annoying with your foolish argumentation but now it is just pathetic. I will pray for you.
BTW, I still have you on ignore so I won't see your argument to this.
Lord Emsworth
Emperor
No, he is telling us that he didn't fire a single shot. And I, for one, have absolutely no problem believing that, as I have played games like that myself. And if I am not entirely misunderstood, I have even had games with no war whatsoever, but I can't completely vouch for the ultra early phase.
Darski said:
Let's see I said
(notice no edit comment in post # 35). So, I never claimed no wars happened with anyone in that game (and I didn't mean that for the second place game either). If you ever read this Darski, interesting flame.Spoonwood said:
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