top five presidents (American)

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Oh sorry that was my Dutch jumping up again(Rozenveld)
I mean that Roosefelt guy that wouldn't want to shoot a bear once.that teddybear guy
 
Somone PLEASE tell me why Clinton was so great. especially after making a jackass out of himself yesterday.
 
I'm surprised that so many have put in Nixon. He used the office illegally! He was the only president to resign to keep from getting impeached and removed!

Aside from the rant...
1. Washington (despite his Farewell Address which harmed foreign policy for over a century)
2. Andrew Jackson (he kept SC from seceding in the 1830's)
3. Abraham Lincoln (If you’re looking for abuses of power during wartime, look no farther.)
4. Theodore Roosevelt ("Speak softly and carry a big stick", and of course his reforms)
5. FDR (New Deal, WW2, reelected 4 times, could this man do no wrong!)

As for worst presidencies...
5. Jimmy Carter (Even though he is an Annapolis man, he screwed up royally during the hostage crisis.)
4. Gerald Ford (Need I say more)
3. Herbert Hoover (HOOVERVILLES!)
2. Ulysses Grant (Hello massive gov't corruption!)
1. Richard Milhous Nixon (See above.)

(EDIT: messed up the quote a bit, thanks Zarn.)
 
It's speak softly, and kmad George W. Bush is my 7th. Senoir is my 8th.
 
Originally posted by The Art of War
Somone PLEASE tell me why Clinton was so great. especially after making a jackass out of himself yesterday.

Because he was one of the most liberal Presidents we've ever had and supervised one of the largest growths of the U.S. economy in our history. Score for the left = score in points :p.
 
Originally posted by Kennelly
3.Kennedy (he saved the world in October 1962)
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he didnt really save the WORLD. the only real threatened nation was the USA because of Cuba's proximity to it - a nuke launched from there could reach Chicago in just 5 minutes (or less? im not sure). u cant really look at things like that - making it seem that if the USA falls, then the whole world will go to hell, too :rolleyes: . there will always be one or more benevolent countries to pick up the pieces and start rebuilding all the good stuff again. i would probably put him on my list of top five presidents of the USA, but he saved the USA not the ENTIRE WORLD
if u look at things like that, then u sort of dont appreciate the good things some other countries have done and/or stand for.

my list
1. Washington - first leader of the USA
2. JFK - saved the USA (very close-call, however)
3. FDR - basically revived USA's economy through his welfare state and New Deal programs, one of the people i view as the "political heroes" of WW2 - he, along w/ Churchill and Stalin, defeated Nazi Germany
4. Lincoln - supposedly kept the Union together (actually it was: the Northern armies + the fact that the Confederate economy was really bad and that its own constituent states had so much autonomy that the central gov't was virtually powerless, only acting at the whim of the Confederate constituents) - he was ready to decide to allow slavery if the Confederacy would rejoin the Union
5. i only think there are only 4. i wouldnt consider George W Bush as a qualifying president - i think he's too much of a warmonger right now. i mean yea he did successfully lead the USA after 9/11, and ousted the Taliban, but lets face it - he can defeat and install friendly, humanitarian gov'ts in all three countries of the so-called "axis of evil" and every other oppressive, terrorist-friendly country in the world, but there will still b some terrorists in hiding, waiting to strike with a surprise. there will always be some guerillas trying to get rid of the kinds of gov't he wants to put at the helm of those countries. and why does he call them axis of evil? at least up to now the USA had at least some below-average level of good relations with N. Korea and Iran. now i wouldnt be surprised if those countries would attack a USA ally just to spite him.
and thats basically my view of things
 
1. Reagan
2. FDR
3. Lincoln
4. Eisenhower
5. Clinton :D
 
Originally posted by Kamilian1


he didnt really save the WORLD. the only real threatened nation was the USA because of Cuba's proximity to it - a nuke launched from there could reach Chicago in just 5 minutes (or less? im not sure). u cant really look at things like that - making it seem that if the USA falls, then the whole world will go to hell, too :rolleyes: . there will always be one or more benevolent countries to pick up the pieces and start rebuilding all the good stuff again. i would probably put him on my list of top five presidents of the USA, but he saved the USA not the ENTIRE WORLD
if u look at things like that, then u sort of dont appreciate the good things some other countries have done and/or stand for.
i disagree. he did save the world. it would have beena full scale war agains the USA and the Soviets. don't think we would have backed down if they hadn't stoped, or that we wouldn't retaliate if they set off a nuke. it WOULD be hell, and other countries would get in it too because a NUCLEAR WEAPON was used or a THREAT of a one being used. you don't think china would get involved? or even brazil? of course they would.
 
I agree with sween,if the USA had invaded Cuba (which was prevented by JFK),Soviets would have retaliated.Even if not nuclear at the moment,they would have invaded NATO-Europe and at some point one side would have used nukes.
 
hmmm... ur arguments have changed my mind about that, Kennelly and sween32. now i sort of agree with u.
but i still think that if the USA would collapse someday (into two or more warring, hostile factions, or simply just "disintegrate" politically) then there still could be some other "good" government and country that would try to keep peaceful things going at least for awhile longer, or try to put the USA together again.
basically, now i agree - JFK did save the world from possible Nuclear Holocaust.
 
Clinton is a criminal. he didn't supervise the economic growth. He inherited that from Reagan. Clinton sold 600 supercomputers to China, an aggressive, fratricidal country, who hates us, mind you. You can say that those supercomputers aren't so "super" anymore, but it nontheless helped them along the way. Then he goes and criticizes Bush, when he know how hard the job actually is...oh, wait, he was getting to many b.js to worry about that.
 
OK here's a controversial choice:

1. Millard Fillmore (1850 - 1853): Did absolutely nothing while in power, was known as "the American Louis Philippe" *

2. James Abram Garfield (1881): Could write Latin with one hand and Greek with the other, simultaneously!

3. William Henry Harrison (1841): Delivered the longest ever inaugural speech; caught pneumonia while doing so and died a month later.

4. Rutherford Burchard Hayes (1877 - 1881): Conducted the first ever Easter egg roll on the White House Lawn.

5. Martin van Buren (1837 - 1841): Failed to get re-elected on three separate occasions!

And the runner-up:

6. John Tyler (1841 - 1845): Never stood for election; in 1841 his entire cabinet resigned.


These splendid men all advanced the cause of the World by failing to advance the cause of the USA:D

* For those who know nothing of European history, Louis Philippe was so ineffective a monarch that his nickname was "le roi faineant" (the do-nothing king).
 
Originally posted by The Art of War
Clinton is a criminal. he didn't supervise the economic growth. He inherited that from Reagan. Clinton sold 600 supercomputers to China, an aggressive, fratricidal country, who hates us, mind you. You can say that those supercomputers aren't so "super" anymore, but it nontheless helped them along the way. Then he goes and criticizes Bush, when he know how hard the job actually is...oh, wait, he was getting to many b.js to worry about that.

He inherited it from Reagan, for the full 8 years of his Presidency, after 4 years of economic recession?

What a crock.

Clinton is not a criminal. And if you want to talk about working with enemy nations, how about Bush and the Saudis? The hijackers of the September 11th tragedy were from Saudi Arabia, and Bush I aided them in a war.

Your logic is flawed, and I will ignore the B.J. remark.
 
No, he's right. Clinton was no better than a common criminal. He didn't do anything in office, but screw up the health system.
 
Simple Fact: Reaganomics was tried starting in 1981. By Mid 1982 the economy was getting worse and so were the deficits (sound like someone else's presidency?) ;) Reaganomics simply doesn't work. The economic boom in the 1990's came from the openning of new area's of industry and busness (the dotcoms). Clinton did far more to spread around the prosparity and help the common man than most republicans would like us to realize. So what if he used his position to get sex? It's not like that's anything new! As long as he was doing a great job running the country it didn't realy matter. The bottom line is that clinton came into office with one of the largest budget deficts in American history and 8 years later he had turned it into the largest SURPLUS in American history. Doesn't sound like something a corrupt politician could pull off. A Republican could have done the same you say? Ask "president" Bush about what happened to the surrplus. If there's one thing republicans know how to do it's waste lots of money on the uber-rich at the expense of the rest of us! The tax cut of 2001 (~40% of which went to the top 1 % of Americans) wasted the surplus and did nothing for the economy. I've never understood what conservatives have against Clinton. Maybe it' just that he was able to come through on the empty promises that republicans had been handing out for years. Clinton is certainly one of the best presidents of the 20th century and of all american history.
The only good republican president we've had in the 20th century was Teddy R and he wouldn't fit into the modern republican party. As for democratic greats of the 20th century there's FDR, JFK, and of course Bill Clinton.
 
1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. FDR
4. Reagan
5. Teddy Roosevelt
By Mid 1982 the economy was getting worse and so were the deficits (sound like someone else's presidency?) Reaganomics simply doesn't work. The economic boom in the 1990's came from the openning of new area's of industry and busness
You kind of skipped over the period from 1982 to the 1990s.
 
Actually I have a best president that never was: Barry Goldwater. Too bad he got pummeled in the largest landslide in US history :(
 
I have trouble believing that either Bush I or Reagan will be ranked very highly in history, at least from an economic standpoint.

Their legacy (as well as the legacy that Bush II seems hurriedly building) is one of enormous national debt.

It would be preferable to head into the baby-boomers pensioner years with little debt, and a surplus. Because, from a budget standpoint, things are really going to fall off a cliff when they start swelling the social security & medicare rolls.

That said, I do give credit to Reagan for what he did to help stare down the Soviets. But even that was at the margins -- the soviet wound was self-inflicted (they adhered to a failed economic model called communism :lol: ) and his work there would not be enough to put him into the top 5 in my opinion.

Maybe the top 20...
 
Originally posted by Zarn
No, he's right. Clinton was no better than a common criminal. He didn't do anything in office, but screw up the health system.

Please black up such flame-like statements instead of simply aiming to offend me.
 
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