Town of Sissy Heroes - game thread

[KingMorgan]

It seems strange that i'm a scumbag because I have a scummy hiding ability yet Landlubber gets away with blatantly rescuing Martin Luther (i assume his teammate) and 'clearing' him without a challenge from anyone.

It's not Martin.
certain quirk in their role turns up as scum. Essentially, the scum plus a few innocents turn up guilty

So basically, a scan with false positives. Not so useful, yet it clears ML "lock town"

Do you not buy my claim, though? If you do, why have me lynched?

Why does he care what Visor thinks? He wants to check he is believable and then immediately switches his vote back to me, running scared after poking an experienced player?

anyone I scan as innocent is definitely, infallibly innocent if my role PM is to be believed.

You what now? What about those innocents that turn up guilty? Some doubt is now infallible guilt!!

Come on, you can't actually think that. My vote on you was nothing more than a nudge. I moved my vote from you as soon as you posted, and I've been consistently pushing for a KM lynch the entire phase.

He seems very nervous of Visor, scum usually are from what i've seen.

Yeah, I had talked with ATPG, and I did tell him that I would stay inactive if I were him, but it wasn't based on any certain information.

So the night of ATPGs death you told him to remain inactive (defenceless?!)

and I feared he would get the attention of a townie trying to network with him or something.

Heaven forbid, pizza joining a town network would be disastrous!!

ATPG actually said that he thought Martin was a good choice for the scan.

Pizza was also my mason partner and the whole suspect KM thing was a ruse to draw out the mafia (NOT REALLY!!). but you can claim anything you like about a dead guy.

First of all, Martin isn't a lurker, not really. He's been posting sparingly, but relatively consistently nonetheless, and he's at least been paying some level of attention to the game. The reason I didn't scan remake was because he's been purely inactive, but that's not true of Martin.

I will analyse Martins contribution next, doubt it till take long.
I think you know too much about ML's private posting/msg. I think you see him as an active teammate.

I scanned Martin precisely because I figured he would be getting a lot of attention today, and I was right.

team-mate paranoia

Plus, I already knew of a few people whose roles could potentially trigger my weakness, so scanning them would've obviously been a waste.

Your picking and choosing now! What happened to this infallible scan?

Just so we're clear here-- I know exactly what would trigger a false positive. I was feigning ignorance of my own ability at first and now I'm being blasé,

Which is it? False False Positives? Be blasé all you like! I guess your in no danger from night kills now are you?

The only person I've told directly is ATPG, and, unless he told any of you, that knowledge went with him to the grave.

Again, I have a PM from ATPG telling me I'm "lock Town" and he was sorry for ever suspecting me.

My biggest issue with Landlubber is that he swooped in to save ML and he has been backtracking and defensive ever since. Making a public roll claim like that shows a blatant disregard for personal safety, i hope if your town that you have some back up plan, otherwise it's a total waste of a useful Power Role. It's also odd as you could have claimed privately to a few ppl who seem very townish, I can only think that you panicked when it looked like ML had a few votes. Certainly my summary is that your not scared of the mafia and you have publicly outed yourself as #1 "town" power role to save a lurker.

 

[KingMorgan]

Yes, I can confirm I'm in the update biting KingMorgan in the unmentionables. However, I don't think this clears KingMorgan for the night. My understanding is that the wounded character can do nothing for the next night

By the same logic you could have been doing something else before or after. So I'm not clearing you either.

On a more serious note is it correct that you were unable to bite Cuthilus (known Scumbag) yet were able to bite me whom you suspect as a scumbag?

 

[landlubber]

Sigh.

It seems strange that i'm a scumbag because I have a scummy hiding ability yet Landlubber gets away with blatantly rescuing Martin Luther (i assume his teammate) and 'clearing' him without a challenge from anyone.

No one challenged me because town obviously don't want to lynch a power role. I haven't exactly gotten in everyone's good graces this game, and I would've been lynched if I didn't come out with my role in the near future.

So basically, a scan with false positives. Not so useful, yet it clears ML "lock town"

That's not how my scan works and you know it. Don't create strawmen.

Why does he care what Visor thinks? He wants to check he is believable and then immediately switches his vote back to me, running scared after poking an experienced player?

First, I've been playing mafia longer than Visor has, if we're arguing about that. Second, I was asking Visor questions to get in his head, not because I was scared of him. Would I engage him if I was scared? I'd think not.

You what now? What about those innocents that turn up guilty? Some doubt is now infallible guilt!!

Again with not understanding/choosing not to understand my claim. I'll make this clear one more time.

If I scan someone as innocent, there is one option: THEY ARE INNOCENT.
If I scan someone as scum, there are two options: They have a certain kind of role that triggers a false positive, or they are scum.

There is no doubt about someone's innocence if I scan them as such. None. Don't act like there is.

He seems very nervous of Visor, scum usually are from what i've seen.

Uh, no. I was challenging his logic. It wasn't sound.

So the night of ATPGs death you told him to remain inactive (defenceless?!)

Yes, I did tell him to remain inactive, because his role specifies that he will die if someone targets him on a night when he is active. That's perfectly reasonable advice.

Heaven forbid, pizza joining a town network would be disastrous!!

See above. I was concerned about Pizza's safety. He was already in communication with a lot of the town.

Pizza was also my mason partner and the whole suspect KM thing was a ruse to draw out the mafia (NOT REALLY!!). but you can claim anything you like about a dead guy.

This is where I start getting really annoyed. If your only argument is "YOU MUST BE LYING BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SAY" then it's not even worth arguing with you. You're absolutely wrong. Period. I am not lying about this.

I will analyse Martins contribution next, doubt it till take long.
I think you know too much about ML's private posting/msg. I think you see him as an active teammate.

Compared to remake and Csargo, Martin was active. That was my point.

team-mate paranoia

Or townie with instinct.

Your picking and choosing now! What happened to this infallible scan?

See my explanation of my scan, which was apparently still needed. I will stop responding to you if continue to deliberately misrepresent what I've said.

Which is it? False False Positives? Be blasé all you like! I guess your in no danger from night kills now are you?

honestly are you even trying anymore

Again, I have a PM from ATPG telling me I'm "lock Town" and he was sorry for ever suspecting me.

Again, don't just assume I'm lying because me telling the truth would ruin your theory. I have a very hard time believing that a townie would think like that.

My biggest issue with Landlubber is that he swooped in to save ML and he has been backtracking and defensive ever since.

I have not once backtracked. Everything I've said this entire phase has been accurate, and I stand by it all.

Making a public roll claim like that shows a blatant disregard for personal safety, i hope if your town that you have some back up plan, otherwise it's a total waste of a useful Power Role.

Now you've altered your argument. Earlier you were saying my scan was scummy or inconsistent or something. Now I'm suddenly a "useful power role" because it fits with your narrative. Distortion is not something I have patience for.

The reality is, we've got this game close to locked with or without my death. Martin being removed from the list of suspects was extremely helpful.

It's also odd as you could have claimed privately to a few ppl who seem very townish,

Because I should've claimed to people who were scummy?

I can only think that you panicked when it looked like ML had a few votes. Certainly my summary is that your not scared of the mafia and you have publicly outed yourself as #1 "town" power role to save a lurker.

Or I knew I could clear a top suspect and stop everyone from wasting a phase. There's a townie angle for all of this, you know. Don't pretend like anything I've done is incomprehensible as town, because none of it is.

 

[KingMorgan]

scum.

Vote: Kennigit

Well, half right

Thanks Snerkbot.

Banter with Snerk, still every pointless post helps!

They're making another one of those goddamn Chipmunk movies. I cry for humanity.

Agreeing with ATPG does not always bode well...

Sure.

Vote: Newyn

This is the Newlyn that Kenngit vouched for.


Sum total of public posts = 4

Why would you out yourself as #1 Town Power Role to save this guy?

 

[landlubber]

Why would you out yourself as #1 Town Power Role to save this guy?

Because he's a townie. The day would have been wasted had he been lynched. Honestly, seriously tell me that you would have rather seen a townie been lynched than had my claim in the open.

 

[KingMorgan]

Now you've altered your argument. Earlier you were saying my scan was scummy or inconsistent or something. Now I'm suddenly a "useful power role" because it fits with your narrative. Distortion is not something I have patience for.

I was playing the devils advocate - trying to see things from a scumbag PoV or what your motivation was if you were town.

I can certainly tell you've been playing for years, you've made a great defence yet I think you've totally overplayed your hand. I'm a deadman walking and your rattled as evidenced by your very swift rebuttal.

Again you've only cleared someone on your 'word'. You suddenly claim a great power role at a convenient time and say trust me and by the way the only person that knew my role is dead, but he agrees we should clear this other guy.

Are you really telling me that if you were on the other side of this you would blindly accept the word of a self confessed seer?

 

[KingMorgan]

Because he's a townie. The day would have been wasted had he been lynched. Honestly, seriously tell me that you would have rather seen a townie been lynched than had my claim in the open.

I think you could of handled it better if you really are town. You've saved ML but now your probably at the top of the mafia kill list, how many more scans can you do before your dead? You've sacrificed your Queen for a Knight and that is a bad move as town.

The only motivation I can see for what you have done makes me think you are mafia.

 

[Kennigit]

We have a town network that no one shares actual info

Please let's lynch visorslash or snerk. I do not kniw what visorslash does.

I am on mobile and will not be able to look at thread easily for timing of cuthillius votes or for who is what role

Hopefully remake20 actually dies because he could have directly saved cuthillius day 1

 

[Kennigit]

Apparently i do know what visor does and I do not care for it that much

 

[Kennigit]

Pairs:

KM/al sipsclar

Snerk/anyone

Landlubber/anyone (scum can say anyone is town 100%)

martin luther/landlubber

I doubt newyn bussed

 

[Kennigit]

Oh and ofc visorslash or remake

 

[Kennigit]

I am still reluctant to think bussing occurred as I kept insisting atpg should use his ability and it APPEARS that he dued as a result of the usual mafia kill rather than specifically due to his ability. NO ONEHAS CLAIMED ACCIDENTALLY KILLING ATPG

If like snerk is just lying and had a teammate, he coukd have done a usual mafia kill and could have the partner just visit atpg. It would have had 2 kills

Of course, we cannot exclude possibilitues of inactivity, not sending in orders, or special stuff (eg 2 night actions per night)

 

[Snerk]

Kennigit you are a little all over the place. What do you think it the one best action town should take over killing KM?

 

[Al Sipsclar]

By the same logic you could have been doing something else before or after. So I'm not clearing you either.

On a more serious note is it correct that you were unable to bite Cuthilus (known Scumbag) yet were able to bite me whom you suspect as a scumbag?

I didn't target Cuthillius. I had no action N1, and targeted you N2.

 

[Al Sipsclar]

We have a town network that no one shares actual info

Please let's lynch visorslash or snerk. I do not kniw what visorslash does.

I am on mobile and will not be able to look at thread easily for timing of cuthillius votes or for who is what role

Hopefully remake20 actually dies because he could have directly saved cuthillius day 1

I'm quite convinced by ATPG that KM is scum. And ATPG is infallible.
However, I'm worried by Visor's inactivity.
Vote: Visorslash

 

[Kennigit]

Re snerk: the best action is of course to do the option which reduces the most unknowns

Remake dies by WOG
Visor dies by lynch
KM is blocked (confirmed via update)
Al sips could injure Xym (that is a risky thing if this goes to 2v4)
I roleblock snerk and then die at night (never asked if i get action off before death)
Landlubber scan newyn
Martinluther figure out something else

 

[Kennigit]

I believe that course if action leaves no possibility of a mafia night kill and confirms every single claim in the game unless sone mechanic like "ignore roleblock" or able to do 2 night actions at once, etc

 

[Kennigit]

Newyn or al sipsclar are best possibility of doing 2 night actions

Snerk Xym Martinluther have unverified night actions/roles

People can be lying together though

 

[Snerk]

There's plenty of wiggle room there for a mafia night kill. But I'm down with a Visor lynch. unvote, vote: Visorslash.

 

[Kennigit]

Where is wiggle room unless newyn/al sipsclar takes 2 actions or martinluther is unaccounted fir (in which case landlubber and martin are scum)