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Trial Poll: Chieftess PI Part IV

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game II: Polls' started by naervod, Feb 16, 2003.

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Is Chieftess Guilty?

Poll closed Feb 19, 2003.
  1. Guilty

    13 vote(s)
    41.9%
  2. Innocent

    15 vote(s)
    48.4%
  3. Abstain

    3 vote(s)
    9.7%
  1. Chieftess

    Chieftess Moderator Retired Moderator

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    I can think of one quote from a video game (Eklektikos should know it well). "What's wrong? The empire's paranoid?". That pretty much sums up the mood with this fiasco. I attempted to correct as many wrongs as possible, and still get piled on.
     
  2. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    The citizens speak their mind, CT.

    It's funny how the people in power always call the people they oppress paranoid. Must be a knee jerk reaction, huh?
     
  3. Shaitan

    Shaitan der Besucher

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    I boycotted the PI's, Cyc. This is a poll to determine the guilt or innocence of Chieftess. If you would care to review the various PI threads you will see that I have indeed boycotted them. One of the biggest reasons I boycotted them is the same reason I'll be dropping this thread. No matter what I say or how I say it the response is always the same. Insults, accusations, lies. Great. Lots of fun there. Thanks.

    Anyway, I'm done trying to force any sort of logic into these proceedings.

    BOLD MESSAGE: I have departed this thread. There is no compelling reason for me to endure more of this. If moderator help is needed please PM me or use the "report this post" link on the offending post.
     
  4. Eklektikos

    Eklektikos Eponymous

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    Just for the record I have voted "guilty" in this poll, since Chieftess did break the law cited, and therefore is guilty by definition. Whether Chieftess is to be punished or not is another issue for another poll, and given the facts of the case leniency may well be in order - but as far as this poll is concerned I can in all conscience vote for no other option. Guilty as charged.

    Oh, and I'm not a member of a paranoid mob, just in case you were wondering ;)
     
  5. Strider

    Strider In Retrospect

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    I voted innocent.

    Chieftess did exactly what she was ordered to do. So what if she did it in the next T/C? It made no differance anyway. Also Cyc did not say anything about when this should be done. Just that it should be done. CT did exactly what she was told to.
     
  6. eyrei

    eyrei Deity Retired Moderator

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    This is the most absurd, factless, and paranoid piece of pseudo-revolutionary drivle I have ever seen. Who are they? Who are we?

    People are supposed to vote guilty because you think she is guilty? FortyJ is an evil dictator? The Moderators rule the world? That is about all the sense I can make out of it. But how can FortyJ be an evil dictator in a world ruled by mods when he is not a mod?

    Oh, and this part was just funny:

    It's because this PI is surely one the Chieftess can easily be found guilty of.

    So you really did start 5 extra PIs even though you new she wasn't very guilty? That is just disgusting.
     
  7. Goonie

    Goonie Lonely End of the Rink

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    Strider how would you have felt if CT did not implement you science queues until two turn chats after you posted the instructions? How would you fell about all that lost reasearch time.

    Secondly, CYC DID specify a time for them to be done! He posted in a specific turn chat thread, for a specific date. He did not post in the Do this when you like turn chat thread. Strider I understand you believe CT did this on mistake, as do I. But we cannot let that give us a blurred vision of the law. CT did break this law. This poll is not sentencing, it is 'Did CT commit this act'. Please think of this with an open mind.
     
  8. disorganizer

    disorganizer Deity

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    *sigh*sigh*sigh*

    and i thought we disallowed discussions in pi-votes... as such i see no sense in those polls if we continue the pre-discussion in here.
    it is like with the election-polls.... discussion in here is useless and should not be allowed...
     
  9. FortyJ

    FortyJ Deity

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    Cyc, your comments from this morning are disheartening, if not outright incendiary. You are an excellent governor. Your instruction posts, and the corresponding graphics, have been some of the best that I can recall. But, the more you spew insults and inuendo of conspiracy, the more damage you do to your own cause.

    Truth is, I had just sit down to post the remaining Trial polls on Naervod's behalf (you see, he's out of town and incapable of posting them himself), but I have run out of time and will not be able to do so until later tonight.

    All of your PIs will see the light of a trial poll, with perhaps the exception of #3, as I consider that totally redundant with #4 (essentially trying her twice for the same violation). If Octavian and Naervod both disagree with my assessment, then #3 will also be brought to a trial poll.

    BTW, I voted guilty on this charge, as she obviously committed the offense and has confessed to such. I also think that the penalty should fit the damage done by the crime, but that's another poll. :)
     
  10. Noldodan

    Noldodan 2 years of waiting...

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    I would have voted guilty, but every time I try to post in a poll I get the message "vBulletin Message
    The action you have attempted could not be performed as your session appears to be invalid. Click the below link to attempt this action again with a new session.
    Try this action again!"

    Any suggestions to fix this?

    PS: I am logged in whenever I try to vote.
     
  11. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Quoting eyrei:
    This is the most absurd, factless, and paranoid piece of pseudo-revolutionary drivle I have ever seen. Who are they? Who are we?

    People are supposed to vote guilty because you think she is guilty? FortyJ is an evil dictator? The Moderators rule the world? That is about all the sense I can make out of it. But how can FortyJ be an evil dictator in a world ruled by mods when he is not a mod?

    Oh, and this part was just funny:

    It's because this PI is surely one the Chieftess can easily be found guilty of.

    So you really did start 5 extra PIs even though you new she wasn't very guilty? That is just disgusting.

    Sorry, eyrei. Your opinion means little to nothing to me now that you have given up the ways of a mature Moderator and returned to the ways of the rampaging eyrei og DG1. Listen to yourself. It's the same with Shaitan. All the bold statements, the ranting and raving beceause one of his fellow Mods got PI'd. It has gotten ridiculous. You guys are supposed to be keeping the peace, not starting flame wars. And about your comment about my comment being disgusting...I'm not saying that it was the only one she was guilty of. She is guilty of all the charges. I'm saying because of the actions made by the Mods and judiciary, make the other PI's damn near impossible to bring to light. Also that in this PI, her guilt is easily seen.
     
  12. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    You all need to step back and take a look at this. I can certainly understand Cyc's frustration which led to his impassioned speech earlier. For crying out loud our Chief Justice said earlier in this thread:

    and Shaitan himself posted in the PI discussion poll that he would vote guilty if the PI reached verdict poll. You would think that when the accused admits breaking the rule this would be a clear cut case yet almost half of the people have voted innocent! This makes a mockery of our constitution, our Col and our CoS and pretty much nullifies all the effort so many of us put into crafting our rules.
     
  13. eyrei

    eyrei Deity Retired Moderator

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    Have you read anything you have posted in the last 3 or 4 days? You describe yourself very well, here. I am not the slightest bit upset that Chieftess got PIed. I am pissed because she got PIed 6 times for the same thing! I don't know where you got this idea that we even care that Chieftess is another moderator. If someone had attempted to PI you six times at once, I would be giving them the exact same treatment. If I wasn't actively participating in the game, I would have simply closed all but one of them as soon as this bulls*** started. This is not fun for anyone, and serves no purpose.
     
  14. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    eyrei she did not get pied six times for the same thing. There were two general and different issues: build queues and worker instructions. How many specific instances of the latter there were I do not know. And you know as well as I do that part of the reason Cyc filed some of the PIs stemmed from last term's fiascos of trying to get people off the hook using technicalities. everyone in this game freaks out when someone files a PI as if they were personal attacks rather than attempts to ensure the rules we made are followed. As mods you, Shaitan and Chieftess should understand better than the rest of us the purpose of, and need to abide by, the rules.
     
  15. Furry Spatula

    Furry Spatula ...

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    Ok I've been away from the DG for a few weeks. But WTH? Since when has the demo game become opressive? If you actually think the demogame is oppressive you need to take a break. Seriously man. Calm down. This game was SUPPOSED to be FUN. But apparently it isn't. The rules were put in place to stop some stuff from happening that would make the game imballanced. The wrong was writed, the PI should have been dropped. Is this a game or is it a sad attempt at some people pretending that they are activists or real life politicians?
     
  16. Ehecatl Atzin

    Ehecatl Atzin Lore Master

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    I have tried to avoid this issue for quite some time, hoping that Fanatikans themselves could repair these fences... Sadly I fear they shalln't be repaired, but burnt even more.
    Frankly, I wonder how deep these scars run. I have seen a group of friends tear apart all that they have worked so hard to build. Now please, stop it. Take a deep breath and think if this is really about a law being broken, really.
    I won't say how I voted, if indeed I even voted. Enuff timber has been thrown into the fire.
    This game was fun, it was something one could look forward to do, now it's turning into this, some of the trully founding fathers and mothers of this land bickering and pretending to argue while the raised voices let no one be heard.
    Now please, do not reply to this, I have said my peace. I believe all you should do as well.

    Ehecatl Atzin
    I cast a shadow in your presence, and when we are all together there is light everywhere and no shadows are cast.
     
  17. Goonie

    Goonie Lonely End of the Rink

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    I must agree with donsig on one point. The fact that 14 people voted innocent shows that they are blind or are not voting fairly. This is not sentencing. This is (And I will say it again) "Did CT break this law" poll. I dont understand how an honest person with morals, values and dignity could go and vote no. It bogles the mind!
     
  18. disorganizer

    disorganizer Deity

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    btw: if i remember the donsig-pi-affair then it was the same case there... people voted him innocent though they should have voted him guilty and no-punishment ;-)
     
  19. Stuck_as_a_Mac

    Stuck_as_a_Mac Aptenodytes forsteri

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    This is my only post in any of these PI threads and for good reason too. I for one voted guilty. Its easy to see this part was violated not only here, but in other places. For example, Im going to have a harder time selling the move of New PDX since it has a university, despite asking for it to be changed.

    Anyway, I just feel we should step back and take a breathing moment.

    This has been my only PI post.
     
  20. FionnMcCumhall

    FionnMcCumhall Emperor

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    Cyc i think you need to take a big break from the game. You seem to be taking things way to personal.

    I voted innocent, too many PI's this term yet again. We should be focusing on our game not our rules
     

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