Try-05: Ludicrous Speed!

Mighty Dwaarf · Aug 10, 2010

Not as much progress as I would have liked on this 10

Got held up knocking down Pusan as it was on a hill and our troops were injured. Eventually knocked that down upgraded a few maces. I do have a gripe about promotions sorry, we have big advantage so should be all out CR promotions, we have a C2 sword this is neither going to beat an LB in a city or not much in the open. I think we have too many medics and they should be chariots (fast and cheap).
Knocked down Nampo too and currently at the doors of Cheju.

Traded Optics+Music about for Eng, HBR, Drama and Theo and gold, we also got Philo later off Washington. Researched Banking (changed to Merc) and Paper and currently 40%ish through Edu. At this point think we have 50/50 chance of Lib if we can get Edu first we should be ok. I think we should go Edu => Lib (take Astro) => Economics then we can change to FR and Free Markets at same time.

I have started FP in old Seoul, have built one settler who is moving south we shoudl probably put him 1SE of where Pusan was.

Beware WK has an LB next to Wonsan, if he attacks and survives there are knights nearby ready to finish him.

View attachment Dark Helmet AD-1250.CivBeyondSwordSave

Trynthlas · Aug 11, 2010

Took a peek at the save. Is Toku really that puny? From the looks of the map we should just wipe him out as soon as we finish with Wang (our army should already be large enough).

I'm a fan of the Edu -> Lib (Astro) -> Econ tech path, with an eye towards a conquest victory from the way things are going currently.

cripp7 · Aug 11, 2010

yeah sounds good, pascal has another city to the west btw.

Mighty Dwaarf · Aug 11, 2010

Pascal?? you mean WK, yeah didnt get chance on that one. Have some knights so should try to get there before border pops and they should roll over whats left.

Trynthlas · Aug 12, 2010

Alrighty, not too bad I think.

Wang is dead
Kept his last 2 cities, plus used the 2 settlers we built
Repaired economy to a decent degree
Won Liberalism race -> Astronomy
Not first to Economics, but it's in progress (WvO got it)
Islam in all of our cities (or missionaries on the way), plan should be to continue spreading it to other civs
Army is healing on our northern end to go after Toku
GS born in SB1

GS can bulb part of Printing Press (more economic boost), or we could stick him somewhere.

View of tech situation and resource trades:

Spoiler :

I don't see any real reason to trade techs just at this moment, but we have some good resource opportunities I think.

From here...

Spread Islam
Finish Econ -> revolt to FR / FM
Conquer Tokugawa

Other thoughts?

Spoiler BUFFY Log :

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MD - on deck

cripp7 · Aug 12, 2010

looking good, just need to have SB3 start pumping out galleons. i'd bulb PP, that'll help our economy a lot. build up our army to finish Toku. have one city for a settler pump to fill up our land. won't be able to play until Sunday.

cripp7 · Aug 15, 2010

IHT-
slider to 0%
Partial bulb PP
switch tech from Eco to PP (4)
do spome city micro
Make some resource trades

Spoiler :

Turn 199-
SB7 library>uni
SB13 spread Islam
Cyrus trade 15gpt>silk (missed screenie)
Adjust +1EP towards Cyrus, WvO and Mansa

Turn 200-
SB1 grocer>mace
SB4 mission>uni
SB12 spread Islam
slider to 30% PP (1)

Turn 201-
PP > RP
Toku demands cancel deals with Washington...no
SB3 knight>stable
SB6 cat>treb
SB9 court>lb
Mansa vassaled to Cyrus
Make WvO a trade

Spoiler :

Turn 202-
SB8 LB>galleon
slider to 80% RP (5)

Turn 203-
Mansa offer DR+70 :gold:

>PP..no
SB1 mace>mace

Turn 204-
zzz

Turn 205-
SB4 uni>musket
SB6 treb>treb

Turn 206-
Cyrus demands PP..no
SB1 mace>uni

Turn 207-
RP > Rifling
slider to 0%

Turn 208-
SB3 galleon>knight
SB4 musket>mission
razed barb city, lost 2cats, 2 knights

Turn 209-
slider to 80% Rifling (5)

Turn 210-
SB1 uni>treb
SB3 knight>knight
SB4 mission>knight
SB5 court>knight
SB8 mission>uni
SB11 court> :gold:

Trade with Mansa

Spoiler :

Turn 211-
SB6 treb>stable
Cyrus is going for Steel

Turn 212-
ship 3 islam missions to Cyrus

Turn 213-
Cyrus DR+40 :gold:

>Astro...no
SB2 bank>musket
SB5 pike> :gold:

SB6 stable>knight
SB9 lb>galleon

Turn 214-
Rifle > queue SM
SB1 treb>rifle
SB4 knight>galleon

I think if we put a turn into Chem, Cyrus will trade PP+ :gold:

for it. Also can trade PP for Nat or Eco. I say Nat to get MT for cavs, those work well for overseas. Having rifles now, Toku will be no problem

Spoiler Techs" :

Mighty Dwaarf · Aug 17, 2010

Looks like Toku will be a roll, assume we have the green light to start up on them.

Not sure about Sci Meth, think we should look at chem to open up route to Ass Line and Steel and keep our G Lib scientists as long as possible.

Think we should hold off trading any techs on way to Rifles i.e. PP, we could trade Astro though

thoughts??

cripp7 · Aug 17, 2010

I put SM as a placeholder, Chem route is fine. Trade PP > Astro, cleanup Toku.

Trynthlas · Aug 17, 2010

Definite green light on Toku. I'd prefer to vassalize him if possible, rather than a full wipeout as we did with Wang.

Tech-wise I'm all about cannons now that we have rifles, and only trading things that don't let the other folks get any closer to rifles.

Just a note: be sure to check specialists in the cities often. While they aren't horrible, the computer LOVES assigning spies after a population growth and we really aren't trying to run espionage here. SB 3, 7, 9, 11 all have a spy specialist (although that's the only choice in 11). Other MM checks would be useful. e.g: SB 4 could switch a scientist to the grassland-mine and produce the galleon in 2 turns instead of 3 (although maybe we prefer the beakers, just depends!)

Mighty Dwaarf · Aug 19, 2010

Toku is now our b*tch.

IHT - MM specialists as directed SM => Chem

215 DOW on Toku

216 Destroyed Nagoya

217 Destroy Izumo

218 Chem=>Steel

220 Nubian Captured, TOku capitulates, trade Astro for Economics and Nationalism, Gift techs to Toku to get him to research Constitution.

223 SB16 founded West of SB1 1N of Rice

224 Steel=> Mil Trad, GS born in SB2 (not sure what to do with).

We can build Oxford, either SB1 or SB2??, started HE in SB3 as most hammer city.

Melee units can be promoted via CR chain then upgraded to Rifles!!

Once have enough Galleons in West then move on Washington.

Have marked a possible Fort chain canal to allow ship movement from East to West??

View attachment Dark Helmet AD-1575.CivBeyondSwordSave

Trynthlas · Aug 19, 2010

Oxford in SB1, plan Wall Street in SB2 (if we get to it). Speaking of National wonders, still need to drop the Nat. Epic somewhere...

I <3 CR Rifles.

Still see a couple of those annoying spy specialists

I really wish the computer didn't do that.

Looking good, guys. Guess it's my turn again

cripp7 · Aug 19, 2010

We can get some more trades with Cyrus, 7gpt>banana
SB1 will have another GP in 8 turns, hire 4 merchants to try to pop a GM for a trade mission to upgrade melee CR units.

Asaf · Aug 19, 2010

Hi guys, sorry for disappearing for so long, but I've been really sick.
I'm better now, but I can't play much, so I won't be able to keep up with this game.

May the Schwartz be with you!

Trynthlas · Aug 19, 2010

Asaf said:
Hi guys, sorry for disappearing for so long, but I've been really sick.
I'm better now, but I can't play much, so I won't be able to keep up with this game.

May the Schwartz be with you!

Good to hear you're doing better, Asaf. Feel free to lurk!

Trynthlas · Aug 20, 2010

Playing my round tonight!

Trynthlas · Aug 21, 2010

IHT:
- Take care of some minor micro stuff around the empire
- Decide to settle the GS in SB 1
- Start Oxford in SB 1
- Set up 4 merchants in SB 1 to attempt a great merchant.

T226:
- Toku wants to trade Spices for Iron. Sure why not, it'll make him happy.

T230:
- Mil Trad finished. I start Sci Meth -> Physics since I see WvO teching Sci Meth. Free GS is

T231:
- Toku wants map for map. I say yes.

T233:
- GS pops in SB 1, abandon the merchants.

T234:
- Toku is now pleased with us.
- Sci Meth done. Use GS to bulb towards Physics.

T236:
- Oxford done, start Observatory in SB 1

T240:
- Physics done, new GS popped in SB 1 (from the tech). Tentatively set tech to Artillery, although we may want to run 100% commerce for a few turns to get our melee CR troops -> rifles upgrades.
- Mansa adopts Universal Suffrage and Emancipation
- Washington goes FR and FS

Other than that, I built troops, ships, and tried to make the workers stay busy. We have our fort canal now. I also made a few trade adjustments where it made sense, pretty much all in our favor.

Good news is our power ratio vs Washington and WvO is rockin. Bad news is we don't have much of a tech lead on WvO (who is about to get Steel). Toku finishes Constitution next turn.

I think our current civics have almost outlived their usefulness, especially OR (and I'm really not much of a fan of Mercantilism, even though we're in Rep). We may want to consider a big change buffered by a golden age. SB 3 pops another great person in 5 turns with a 60% chance of it not being a GS, so we could use that...maybe. Settled GS in SB 1 is worth 27 bpt (at least, more since we finish the observatory next turn) or can bulb towards Biology.

Need more boats, I think I should have built more galleons and less troops, but :crazyeye:

Note we have two stacks -> the main one is by SB 15 up north, and a second is out on the peninsula to the west of SB 4.

Trynthlas · Aug 23, 2010

*poke poke*

cripp7 · Aug 23, 2010

I'm still here, busy with homestead. Who's up next.

We can trade Washington 11gpt>cow, reneg the silk deal with Cyrus we can get 25gpt for it.
I think switching to FM/Theo for :traderoute:

and +2XP for units.

With 0% :science:

and about 4 turns we can upgrade our cats/trebs to cannons, we have enough of a tech lead to just build :gold:

for mass upgrades knights>cavs, maces>rifles etc...
SB3 is 5 turns from a GP, run 4 merchants and hopefully we can pop a GM for a trade mission for our upgrades.
We need banks in our higher pop cities, that'll increase our gpt a lot.

Trynthlas · Aug 23, 2010

You're up next, cripp. Let's give Dwaarf a bit of time to weigh in before you go for it.

I'd like to see us DoW Washington in the next 15 if possible.

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