Tryn's Monarch Game #1

[Trynthlas]

Playing faster these days (but still nowhere near TMIT ) so I need more games to keep improving! Going to throw up 2 starts (two threads) tonight and play a good chunk of each tomorrow night. I'd be very happy to have advice and shadow games to compare with if anyone feels up to it Otherwise, I'll just post what I do!

Settings
Monarch
Epic
Standard Size
Fractal
Temperate
Medium sea

Random leader

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First up I pull Khan, but not Genghis

Here's the start:

Spoiler :

Save is attached.

 

[Trynthlas]

Start looks decent, but I think I'd move the scout 2NW to the hill and then settle in place or take a walk to the hill 1S/1SE of the settler to see what we can see.

Tech path, definitely AH first.

Tundra above us, so we're in the northern end of whatever landmass we're on.

 

[Single Malt]

I would move the scout to the corn, to see what sort of land you have there. If grassland it may be worth moving the settler to grab it. Riverside cap is powerful come late game.

 

[Trynthlas]

I would move the scout to the corn, to see what sort of land you have there. If grassland it may be worth moving the settler to grab it. Riverside cap is powerful come late game.

Well, could move the scout that way, but why not to a hill? Better visibility.

 

[Single Malt]

Better visibility in a direction that's not profitable to move to. Better off seeing what's by the river.

 

[Trynthlas]

Better visibility in a direction that's not profitable to move to. Better off seeing what's by the river.

I meant the hill directly east, not the one I initially mentioned the scout heading for

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Looks like I have a lot of shadowing to take care of this weekend. Should be fun.

 

[Single Malt]

Move to corn first, then decide where to move. Scouts are 2 move units. You can always hit the hill after.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

1625 AD domination.

Spoiler :

The only unit truly used offensively? Guess.

Fast 2nd city

Early writing, settled GS, HBR/archery, gogogogo

-1 PRO civ. Keshiks are prat class. I insist this is the case. Observe this game as an argument.

That's I get IW. Tag teaming HRE with shaka and fleecing it.

Toku next

Peace for masonry and sailing from him.

Again.

This time he gives me math for peace.

Zulu kills HRE

I go for arabia

DOH

Toku declares on me too. I get out of war with sal, lose some of toku's cities to zulu, then capture them back, take peace, and

Sal jumps in!

Only time I'll probably ever win this, and by total accident.

Got peace with all, time for revenge.

I wasn't going to win lib. All I need are keshiks anyway.

Sal has maces, pikes, longbows...oh yeah, and no hope

 

[Sammcs]

TMIT... You boggle the mind.

 

[dankok8]

Amazing TMIT!!

Spoiler :

How do you manage to attack with 8 Keshiks successfully in 445BC against a Pro civ on Monarch?!? Seems like a really late attack with very few units that wouldn't work. How do you promote Keshiks cuz I haven't had nearly as much success with them.

 

[FlyinJohnnyL]

Spoiler :

223 Keshiks built, I LOVE it!

Dankok-It's all about FLANKING baby! That's how you want to promote those suckers!

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Amazing TMIT!!

Spoiler :

How do you manage to attack with 8 Keshiks successfully in 445BC against a Pro civ on Monarch?!? Seems like a really late attack with very few units that wouldn't work. How do you promote Keshiks cuz I haven't had nearly as much success with them.

Spoiler :

I got lucky and didn't see any metal out of him. I usually use some combination of flanking (to attain 1st strike immunity and have a chance to survive at low odds) and just plain combat (as they're quite stout with 7.2 str and a FS of their own then).

Of course, I left the first city I captured garrisoned with 0 units and had reinforcements churning for pretty much the whole game.

 

[Trynthlas]

Spoiler :

Think I'm in an ok position here. Still plenty of room to build cities, not that I need more of them. Shortage of workers, which is my own fault.

Settled here:

Went along, here's where I'm at. Crashed economy, building Gers to create a Keshik horde. I have something of an army near Charlemagne, down near the copper which I settled a city I probably didn't need to get, but it was the only metal in sight.

Spoiler BUG log for first 100 :

Turn 1/750 (3975 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:42:57]
Tribal village results: a little gold
Karakorum founded
Karakorum begins: Worker (23 turns)
Research begun: Agriculture (13 Turns)

Turn 4/750 (3900 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:43:41]
Tribal village results: a little gold

After End Turn:
Karakorum's borders expand

Other Player Actions:
While defending in the wild near Karakorum, Scout (0.68/1) defeats Barbarian Lion (Prob Victory: 89.4%)

Other Player Actions:
Buddhism founded in a distant land

Turn 13/750 (3675 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:44:33]

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Agriculture

Turn 14/750 (3650 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:44:34]
Research begun: Animal Husbandry (14 Turns)

Other Player Actions:
Hinduism founded in a distant land

Other Player Actions:
Contact made: Japanese Empire

Turn 23/750 (3425 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:45:18]

After End Turn:
Karakorum finishes: Worker

Turn 24/750 (3400 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:45:23]
Karakorum begins: Warrior (22 turns)

Other Player Actions:
While defending in the wild, Scout (0.28/1) defeats Barbarian Panther (Prob Victory: 73.8%)

Turn 27/750 (3325 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:45:55]
Scout promoted: Woodsman I

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Animal Husbandry

Turn 28/750 (3300 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:46:01]
Research begun: Mysticism (11 Turns)

Turn 31/750 (3225 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:46:26]
A Farm was built near Karakorum

Turn 32/750 (3200 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:46:33]

After End Turn:
Karakorum grows to size 2

Other Player Actions:
While defending in the wild, Scout (0.61/1) defeats Barbarian Wolf (Prob Victory: 99.4%)

Turn 36/750 (3100 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:47:03]
Contact made: Zulu Empire

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Trynthlas M1 (Mongolia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Tokugawa (Japan), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Other Player Actions:
Contact made: Sumerian Empire

Turn 38/750 (3050 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:47:22]

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Mysticism
Karakorum grows to size 3
Karakorum's borders expand
Karakorum finishes: Warrior

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Tokugawa (Japan), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 39/750 (3025 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:47:29]
Research begun: Mining (10 Turns)
Karakorum begins: Warrior (8 turns)

Other Player Actions:
Contact made: Arabian Empire

Turn 40/750 (3000 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:47:44]
A Pasture was built near Karakorum

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Gilgamesh (Sumeria) towards Saladin (Arabia), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Shaka (Zululand), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Tokugawa (Japan), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 43/750 (2925 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:47:57]

After End Turn:
Karakorum finishes: Warrior

Turn 44/750 (2900 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:48:01]
Karakorum begins: Barracks (8 turns)

After End Turn:
Karakorum grows to size 4

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Tokugawa (Japan), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Gilgamesh (Sumeria) towards Saladin (Arabia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Shaka (Zululand), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Other Player Actions:
Contact made: Holy Roman Empire
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Tokugawa (Japan), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Shaka (Zululand), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Gilgamesh(Sumeria) from 'Tribalism' to 'Slavery'

Turn 48/750 (2800 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:48:55]
Karakorum begins: Settler (12 turns)

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Mining
Karakorum finishes: Barracks

Turn 49/750 (2775 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:49:10]
Research begun: Archery (9 Turns)

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Gilgamesh (Sumeria) towards Saladin (Arabia), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 50/750 (2750 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:49:55]
A Pasture was built near Karakorum

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Shaka (Zululand), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Tokugawa (Japan), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Shaka (Zululand), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Tokugawa (Japan), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 57/750 (2575 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:50:52]

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Archery

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Tokugawa (Japan), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Shaka (Zululand), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Gilgamesh (Sumeria), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 58/750 (2550 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:50:55]
Research begun: Bronze Working (21 Turns)

After End Turn:
Karakorum finishes: Settler

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Trynthlas M1 (Mongolia), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Gilgamesh (Sumeria) towards Saladin (Arabia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Gilgamesh (Sumeria), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 59/750 (2525 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:51:11]
Karakorum begins: Archer (5 turns)

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Trynthlas M1 (Mongolia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Tokugawa (Japan), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Saladin (Arabia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Other Player Actions:
While defending in the wild, Warrior (1.28/2) defeats Barbarian Archer (Prob Victory: 69.1%)

Turn 61/750 (2475 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:51:54]

After End Turn:
Karakorum grows to size 5

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Tokugawa (Japan), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 62/750 (2450 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:52:08]

After End Turn:
Karakorum finishes: Archer

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Shaka(Zululand) from 'Tribalism' to 'Slavery'

Turn 63/750 (2425 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:53:36]
Karakorum begins: Archer (4 turns)
Archer promoted: Combat I
Beshbalik founded
Beshbalik begins: Monument (45 turns)

Turn 64/750 (2400 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:54:09]
A Mine was built near Karakorum

Turn 65/750 (2375 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:54:24]

After End Turn:
Karakorum finishes: Archer

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Saladin(Arabia) from 'Tribalism' to 'Slavery'

Turn 66/750 (2350 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:54:39]
Karakorum begins: Archer (4 turns)
Archer promoted: Combat I

Other Player Actions:
While defending in the wild near Beshbalik, Archer (1.65/3) defeats Barbarian Archer (Prob Victory: 95.6%)

Turn 68/750 (2300 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:55:20]
Karakorum begins: Settler (10 turns)

After End Turn:
Karakorum finishes: Archer

Turn 70/750 (2250 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:56:32]

After End Turn:
Beshbalik's borders expand

Turn 71/750 (2225 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:56:41]
Beshbalik begins: Worker (23 turns)

Other Player Actions:
While defending in the wild, Archer (0.30/3) defeats Barbarian Archer (Prob Victory: 89.5%)
While defending in the wild, Archer loses to Barbarian Archer (1.44/3) (Prob Victory: 0.6%)

Turn 72/750 (2200 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:57:17]
Archer promoted: City Garrison I

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Tokugawa(Japan) from 'Tribalism' to 'Slavery'

Turn 74/750 (2150 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:57:32]

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Bronze Working

Turn 75/750 (2125 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:57:34]
Research begun: Pottery (11 Turns)

Turn 77/750 (2075 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:57:49]

After End Turn:
Karakorum finishes: Settler

Turn 78/750 (2050 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:57:52]
Karakorum begins: Archer (4 turns)

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Trynthlas M1(Mongolia) from 'Tribalism' to 'Slavery'

Turn 79/750 (2025 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:58:20]

After End Turn:
Karakorum grows to size 6

Turn 80/750 (2000 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:58:23]
A Mine was built

After End Turn:
Karakorum finishes: Archer

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Saladin (Arabia), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Tokugawa (Japan), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 81/750 (1975 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:59:02]
Karakorum begins: Archer (3 turns)
Archer promoted: City Garrison I

Other Player Actions:
Contact made: Native American Empire
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Tokugawa (Japan), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Charlemagne(Holy Rome) from 'Tribalism' to 'Slavery'

Turn 83/750 (1925 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:59:34]

After End Turn:
Karakorum finishes: Archer

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Saladin (Arabia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 84/750 (1900 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:59:37]
Karakorum begins: Settler (8 turns)

Turn 85/750 (1875 BC) [23-Jan-2009 19:59:52]

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Pottery

Other Player Actions:
While defending in the wild near Karakorum, Archer loses to Barbarian Archer (0.60/3) (Prob Victory: 50.0%)

Turn 86/750 (1850 BC) [23-Jan-2009 20:00:50]
Research begun: Masonry (12 Turns)
Karakorum begins: Archer (4 turns)

Turn 87/750 (1825 BC) [23-Jan-2009 20:01:30]
Karakorum begins: Granary (7 turns)

Turn 88/750 (1800 BC) [23-Jan-2009 20:01:46]
Turfan founded
Turfan begins: Granary (30 turns)

Turn 89/750 (1775 BC) [23-Jan-2009 20:02:14]

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Karakorum
Karakorum grows to size 5
Karakorum finishes: Granary

Turn 90/750 (1750 BC) [23-Jan-2009 20:02:22]
Karakorum begins: Archer (3 turns)

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Saladin (Arabia), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Saladin (Arabia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 93/750 (1675 BC) [23-Jan-2009 20:02:43]

After End Turn:
Karakorum finishes: Settler

Turn 94/750 (1650 BC) [23-Jan-2009 20:02:47]
Karakorum begins: Archer (2 turns)

After End Turn:
Beshbalik finishes: Worker

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Saladin (Arabia), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 95/750 (1625 BC) [23-Jan-2009 20:03:38]

After End Turn:
Karakorum finishes: Archer
Turfan's borders expand

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Shaka (Zululand) towards Saladin (Arabia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Tokugawa (Japan), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 96/750 (1600 BC) [23-Jan-2009 20:03:57]
Karakorum begins: Archer (4 turns)
Archer promoted: City Garrison I
Ning-hsia founded
Ning-hsia begins: Granary (45 turns)

Turn 97/750 (1575 BC) [23-Jan-2009 20:04:29]

After End Turn:
Beshbalik grows to size 2

Turn 98/750 (1550 BC) [23-Jan-2009 20:04:44]

After End Turn:
Karakorum finishes: Archer

Other Player Actions:
While defending in Mongolian territory near Karakorum, Warrior loses to Barbarian Warrior (1.54/2) (Prob Victory: 78.7%)

Turn 99/750 (1525 BC) [23-Jan-2009 20:05:04]
Karakorum begins: Archer (4 turns)
Karakorum begins: Archer (4 turns)
Archer promoted: Combat I
A Pasture was built near Beshbalik

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Karakorum
Karakorum grows to size 4
Karakorum finishes: Archer

 

[michmbk]

Question:

Spoiler :

Was this really random? Everyone protective so far except for Shaka, who's not exactly a great rush candidate for keshiks. I'm tired of Gilgamesh - not sure if I can stomach this game, not with the DeGaulle game out there too.

 

[Trynthlas]

Question:

Spoiler :

Was this really random? Everyone protective so far except for Shaka, who's not exactly a great rush candidate for keshiks. I'm tired of Gilgamesh - not sure if I can stomach this game, not with the DeGaulle game out there too.

Spoiler :

Yeah, it was indeed. Sucks eh?

 

[michmbk]

Trynth:

Spoiler :

Unbelievable to roll that many protectives on random. I played for awhile, but my keshiks petered out after awhile. I was ahead in land and tech, and had plenty of flanking keshiks to survive any invasion, but I just couldn't bring myself to play this one out with all those protective civs. I think I'll go to the degaulle game tomorrow. Hopefully not as many protective, although that seems like a wonderspam type of game.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Hehe looks like I'm keeping up with the shadow process .