TSG 257 After Actions

But then on T248 he broke the brotherhood and attacked. I don't think I've ever been attacked by someone of the same ideology; they usually start loving you quickly.
It's possible he liked you well enough, but Genghis is the type of leader to declare on his friends anyway. Fight the war a bit, and he might make peace and become friends again. In the T248 screen shot you had a decent amount of infantry, perhaps they could have blocked his army.
 
Oh I did use those Infantry to block him; and killed tons of his troops but he kept coming. And he never wanted to make peace for less than both of my expands; and that was a hard no from me. He was just hyper agressive this game. He'd already decimated The Huns and the Spanish; had fought Dido, Indonesia and China even, yes, a couple of those at my behest. It was the Battleships and Bombers that did me in. I didn't get to oil or Anti-aircraft soon enough; and there was no defense against the Battleships so I just had to stay more than 3 tiles away.

I like that he was so aggressive actually. One of the complaints about BNW is that it lessened the aggressiveness of the AI. In Vanilla there would be carpets of doom all the time but its less so in BNW.
 
Actually, in case the AI will accept peace, it will accept a white peace (I'm pretty sure at least).
Yea, that's the white peace bug. I always wondered why the AI would accept white peace even when they clearly had the advantage (sometimes just as they were about to take your city that is way in the red). And then I found out, from our illustrious GotM leaders no less, vadalaz and Nizef, while playing a succession game with them that it was actually a bug and not intended. And if you hit the button that says "What will you accept for this", only then will they tell you what it is supposed to be for peace. So nowadays I always hit that button to avoid the bug. Its not against GotM rules because its in the game but I just don't do it to make the game harder and more realistic.
 
I don't know what to say when I see t240 wins and "I was slowed down"....

Anyway, my first Deity game after 5 years or so and was not so scary as Genghis was very cheap to bribe.

I finished t330 and "I was slowed down" by joint declaration on Genghis with Indonesia, and of course Mongolia sent no units to Indonesia, all into my land. At the end I lost Texcoco to Genghis than I took back and when I thought it is safe with no melee around, mongolian galley took a city again, so I peaced out after reconquering.

Most of the game Genghis was putting a lot of troops in lhasa, including massive fleet on a small lake, so I felt forever thretened.


- Did you play peacefully or warlike?
Except mongolian war I decalred a lot of wars on China together with the Netherland, to keep the Dutch friendly. I did not even send a single unit, just collected minor tribute afterward.

- Were Aztec unique abilities useful to you?
Yes and no. Yes - for massive food (especially combined with pretty late Hanging gardens).
No - war with Genghis "slowed me down" and "slowed my rationalism down" and culture from killing units resulted in 3 filler policies (esthetics unlocked + twice commerce)

- Which ideology did you pick?
Freedom was left for me and was pretty happy to adopt it with 2 free policies (Indonesia went Order, Mongolia Autocracy, I was the third)

- How many cities did you have in the end and where did you settle them?
6 cities. 5 at turn 100, 6th for coal and fur just after Oxford

Anyway, I am very happy about Deity win, even if achieved with such easy leader as Montezuma, but it is still Deity, right?

I have finished 11 techs ahead only because of so many "slowdowns", but at least I saved 3 turns by buying SS engine :)
 

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Turn 248 Science victory for me.

- I played mostly peacefully but did get some army for defense and conquered a city which had Colossus.

- Were Aztec unique abilities useful to you?
Yes, especially the UB.

- Which ideology did you pick?
Order, but now I think Freedom would have been better.

- How many cities did you have in the end and where did you settle them?
Settled 7 and conquered 1.

My game was decent and my empire strong but I made too many mistakes for a better finish. Here are some of my mistakes:

- I got a bad religion, opted for FtW instead of RC, which is wrong. Sun God pantheon is also weak, something else must be better. If I found the 2 NWs in time I would have gotten One with Nature. The second belief (Shrine +1h) is also weak.
- Delayed NC a bit to build some Wonders. (got 26 in total, 25 built and 1 conquered) This worked quite well with some of them which seem to pay off, but I did fail Colossus at 1 turn and then Uffizi (engineered), big setbacks. Conquering Colossus in a weak city kept as puppet meant my Science rate was slowed. Also, in the Renaissance, I got an engineer and used it on Globe Theatre as I was hoping that the culture from an extra Writer during World's fair will pay off but that must be a bad idea.
Also getting a policy in Exploration for Louvre for a golden age instead of putting it in Rationalism is almost surely a net negative for SV.
- Self-sabotaged by passing Science Funding, because when it passed it no longer mattered, and instead delayed Artist and Writer which would have helped. It could have been something useful like International Games instead.
- "Wasted" 2 policies, one on Philantropy (+25% extra gold to CS) which I didn't even use, and on Aesthetics Opener only to have somebody engineer Uffizi. These should have been into Scholasticism (I had all CS allied) and Free Thought (Rationalism market bonus), which I also never had.
- Went for Order, which I think is worse than Freedom. (Statue of Liberty better than Kremlin and on a better tech path). I engineered 4 parts.
- Should have left the Colossus city a puppet, it was not worth to grow the city because I had to buy Stadiums everywhere.

some screens:
Spoiler :

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Scientific victory, 208 turn.

Liberty, 7 cities. Initially, 6 (1 - SP, 2 - on uranus between lake and Gibraltar, 3 - in a swamp between 4 salts, 4 - in the desert near wines and lake, 5 - on oil near the lake and oasis, 6 - on the jungle hill between the sea and the lake near copper), then built a granary and Pyramids (65) in the capital and added 1 more settler (near Amsterdam, silver, lake and rock).
I started with 3 scouts and 3-4 archers, and also built 1 or 2 jaguars, although I usually don't do melee units. About turn 20, I stole a worker from Mongolia with impunity, and when, after turn 50, I tried to press the "weak" Carthage, he suddenly had elephants and I had to retreat and defend myself in the city near wine for more than 30 turns before he agreed to a peace that was beneficial to me.

I had several games on deity/immortal that started very well, but as soon as I paused, immediately after it, 2-3 aggressive AI attacked me at the same time and everything ended badly. This time it was very scary for me to finish the first session,because north of the "copper" city was Mongolia with a bunch of units. And in the jungle to the south of it, there are 10-15 Atilla units between my cities (half of them are warriors, but the 2nd half are horse archers and battering rams, which could easily finish the game for me). Fortunately for me I came up with the idea to see if they want to fight among themselves. Genghis Khan did not want to, but Atilla was willing to start a war for just 1 salt. Therefore, I paused on turn 75/76, and when I continued, I immediately bribed Attila, after which his units gradually moved north. I relaxed as the danger passed and soon made a new pause on the 91st move. After that, between the 92nd and 93rd moves, Genghis Khan made peace with Atilla and attacked me, a turn later, Atilla and Wilhelm joined him... LOL.
All my units were hunting barbarians in the southern tundra at that time. Fortunately, on the 93rd move, I just saved up money for a trade ship and culture for the aristocracy. Instead, I bought a compbow and accepted the oligarchy, and instead of workshops I had to build walls. Fortunately, I did not see Attila - he was prevented from passing by the Mongol troops, of which there were a lot, but as is often the case with AI, they interfered with each other. I was very close to losing the city, but at the last moment a wall was built and 4-5 compbows came from the south. Wilhelm drew attention to himself, ruined a couple of improvements, but He did not pose a real threat to the capture of cities. Perhaps this was the only difficult moment in the game, then it was completely under my control. After a profitable peace with Genghis Khan and Wilhelm, Attila did not want to talk for a very long time, and when he spoke, he thought that I should pay for peace. During this time, I shot about 15 triremes in the Wittenberg Sea, so the war could go on forever. Finally, Atilla found a narrow road to my territory, I shot down his invading army, went on the attack and captured his town near the sugar (149 turn). Then I made peace with him on my terms.
Then I spent about 15 turns on the implementation of a strange idea-fix "liberate Brussels from Mongolia." why I needed it is difficult to say... Genghis Khan captured him again 15 turns before the end of the game :) After the liberation of Brussels, I captured Amsterdam (174, Stonehenge, the Great Wall, MoM, Cathedral, Mosque and Theater) and Carthage (184, Oracle, Forbidden Palace). It was necessary to capture Carthage immediately instead of Brussels, before the capture of the FP, I had a limit of happiness from time to time. I didn't have time to rock conquered cities anymore, I just bought everything scientific buildings, left a couple of farmers, made the rest specialists.

In the end, it all came down to the time of the birth of the last GS and the lack of culture in order to close the tradition. What made it necessary to build Hubble by hand, not by an engineer. And all 6(7) engineers went to the parts SS. (I spent 1 out of 6 engineers on the Sydney Opera House (206) to "close" the tradition and buy 1 engineer for faith for the last SS part).

Finish : Apollo (203), last my own GS and the Porcelain Pagoda (204), Hubble and the Kremlin (205), Oxford (206, SS engine tech). Space Ships parts (206, 207, 208, 208, 208, 208),

other wonders : Pyramids (65) - Hanging Gardens (85) - Statue of Zeus (112) - Colossus (118) - National College (130) - Ironworks (137) - Pisa Tower (145) - Taj Mahal (164) - Sistine Chapel (165) - World's Fair (175-194) - Brandenburg Gate (198) - Broadway (208)

Some tech : Metal Casting (94) - Philosophy (102) - CS (106) - Education (117) - PP (134) - Industrialization (149) - Scientific Theory (162) - Astronomy (163) - Radio (173) - Plastics (185, 1 GS) - Railway (194) - rocketry (196, 3 GS) - Satellites (199, the finish of rationalism) - Modern Ballistics (202, 2 GS) - Ecology (204, 2 GS) - ... (205, 4 GS) - Nanotechnology (206/207)

Civics : Open Tradition (5) - Open Liberty (12) - Open Honor (16) - Republic - collective rule (31) - citizenship (~43) - Meritocracy (~60) - Representation (77) - Oligarchy (93) - Aristocracy (112) - Open Rationalism (134) - Secularism (150) - Order (158, national hero, young pioneers) - Working Faculties (162) - Humanism (174) - Free Thinking (175) - Skyscrapers (180) - Party Leadership (186) - Sovereignty (192) - Legalism (192) - Monarchy (194) - Scientific Revolution (199) - Space Pioneers (205) - Agricultural elite (206).

Religion : Mother Earth (12) - Tithe, religious center (63) - chorales, religious texts (88)

P.S. There was a strange situation in this game that I had not encountered before. At some point, Vancouver and Zurich started a war against La Venta. At the same time, all three of them were my allies! As a result, La Venta became part of Zurich, and I lost 1 ally in 50 turns before the end of the game.
 
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I moved north like everyone else. Unfortunately I was slowed down a lot by barbs, I had camps spawning every turn. However it was a nice sim city game, I seem to be much less of a warmonger than anyone else in this group 😂
 

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