TSG190 AAR

Knowtalent · Jan 16, 2020

Welcome to the TSG190 After Action Report thread. In this thread you can post the results of your game. Please state victory date and score (preferably in the post title), as recorded in the Hall of Fame, and the most important: your path to glory!

STOP - Please do not continue reading this thread until you have completed and submitted your game.

Please attach your final, first play through, .Civ5Save file, saved AFTER the victory ceremony if you were not conquered (using the "Lemme play one more turn" feature.) In your post.

- How useful was your UA?

- Did you use spying to your advantage?

- Did the map type help or hinder victory and how?

- How did the difficulty level affect your game decisions?

- What Social Policies did you choose and in what order? Which Ideology did you choose?

- What techs did you prioritize ?

- What did you think of the map and settings?

fatusblobus · Jan 16, 2020

OK so here's what's happened in my game so far(on turn 93):

I moved my Warrior to check around the mountain but the coastal tile I was expecting wasn't there so I decided on SIP.

Got extremely lucky and popped a ruin for 20 culture on Turn 3, opened Honor tree for Barb locations.

In the Capital my build order was Scout>Warrior>Worker>Shrine>Settler, while in research I went Pottery>Mining>Archery>Writing, timing it nicely to finish mining while my first worker just finished being produced

Used worker to cut down salt forest to fast finish shrine and get a headstart on settler

Next opened Liberty Tree. 2nd settler was put to the east of the capital on the coast.

By this time I had been using my UA to amass a pretty large barbarian brute army - got very lucky again and every single encampment I destroyed also converted a unit - I don't know if that's ever happened to me before while playing as Germany.

So with a scout who popped a ruin to become an archer, an archer I built, and 6 Warriors, I headed north to conquer America.

In my capital I was building Statue of Zeus, but it still being 14 turns away and my great general (Honor tree) being 10 turns away, and America already having spammed it's 3rd city I decided "screw it," and attacked.

I managed to take Washington on turn 60 but sustained heavy losses - 5 warriors and an archer were lost in this first wave of attack. By now though I had completed Zeus and had 2 great generals, and had been building Spearmen in my capital, and reasearchwise was quickly heading for Composite bowmen.

The biggest issue at this point is getting units from the capital to the front line - this takes 8 turns, and the cost of building the road to reduce that this early in the game is very high, will probably open Commerce and get trade unions to fix this, although I had planned on going Patronage since we're playing for a Diplo VC - culture may become a problem in this game.

Religion - I went for earth mother Pantheon and quickly got a religion after that - went for Papal Primacy for the CS Bonus, since Diplo VC, and sadly no Pagodas as they were already gone (always my first choice for follower belief) so was left with Cathedrals (will hopefully be useful for culture bonus later on.)

By turn 68 my 2nd wave of units had arrived in Washington and I was ready to take their other two cities, meanwhile I popped a settler with Collective rule and founded my 3rd native city northwest on the river, utilising the 3rd salt, cows, and iron.

By turn 75 I had taken New York (on the east coast) and Boston (1 tile off the west coast) and kept all 3 as puppets.

After taking out America I had crippling happiness (-13) and money (-8) problems, so spent 15 turns grinding those down with Colosseums, connecting the Sugar, and buttering up Singapore

When I left at turn 93 I had 4 Spearmen, 2 Swordsmen, 4 Composite Bowmen, and a Great General, ready to push North and conquer Polynesia

My overall plan is to conquer this continent, Egypt and Polynesia have been spamming Wonders so I'll get a lot of benefits from this, then focus on the Diplo game using my religion.

Don't know what lies beyond the coastal tiles and what's in store next, but I have plans for a coastal city on the west coast in order to build an Eastern and Western navy.

Wow that was a lot of text for the first 100 turns!

Edit: I'm not at home right now but I'll add a picture to this when I get back later

zxcvbob · Jan 18, 2020

Diplomatic victory on turn 352 -- the first world leader vote. It was an interesting game. I settled on the coastal tile next to the sugar and played 4-city Tradition. I took the Honor opener right after the Tradition opener, thinking I would take more policies in Honor later (I expected a war with America, but it never came), and I'd get a little of my investment back by taking it while barbs were still around. I killed quite a few barbs and took out 2 encampments but did not get any barbs to join me. So much for the UA. The UB on the other hand was very helpful.

I took Earth Mother for my pantheon and managed to found the first religion (by one turn). Tithe and Pagodas, of course. Washington went Piety, and we both had strong religions but did not send missionaries and prophets at each other. I don't think I've even had a religious neighbor before who didn't try to convert my cities. Enhancer was Religious Texts, and I think my 2nd follower belief was the food from shrines and temples one.

I filled Tradition, then Patronage+Consulates, Rationalism(3), Freedom(6), then back to Patronage and Rationalism. I took Globalization for the Rationalism finisher, but I must have been one turn too late sending all my spies out as diplomats because I didn't get any extra votes for it, but I had the Forbidden Palace and that plus all the CS's gave me just enough to win.

I was never in any wars the whole game, but I did fund a couple of wars.

I will add my civsave file and probably some more text tomorrow. I'm falling asleep at the keyboard now

vadalaz · Jan 18, 2020

Trying to write a much more detailed report for a change. Opening actions to T72:

Spoiler :

zxcvbob · Jan 18, 2020

@vadalaz Thanks for the write-up.

I'm studying it to up my game. I play too peacefully unless I go all-in for a war. That "odd land to the east" is a good location if you settle on top of the sheep (3 fish tiles in range) -- it would be awesome with Petra. I tried to build Petra (bought a watermill immediately, put the city on production focus and bought a hill tile, and sent it a food trade route) but didn't get it of course at this difficulty. Oh well, the gold from halfway finishing was nice at that stage of the game.

vadalaz · Jan 19, 2020

I did settle to the east eventually (and one more expo by Grand Mesa), but I chose the spot between the grassland hill and the tundra deer. I figured it'd have better tiles to work immediately, while the sheep spot wouldn't ever grow its borders to the fish tiles, as it was a late settle.

I won on turn 220:

Made a lot of poor decisions because I didn't expect the AIs to compete for Renaissance wonders. I don't play on Immortal often, and that almost cost me an extra 20+ turns to the finish time (an additional congress vote basically).

Writeup from T72 to victory below. I got a bit bored in the period between Education and ~T160 when I'd met all civs and started thinking about the endgame (should've started thinking earlier and then maybe I wouldn't have missed LToP, Globe Theatre and Taj Mahal):

Spoiler :

Nizef · Jan 20, 2020

Here comes an intermediate update on my game. I am currently on t85 and I just incorporated Washington into my growing empire. I still have 5-6 turns on the NC and I am a little undecided on what to do with Kathmandu: conquer or peace? I am low on happiness as you can see from the attached picture. The nearby land, besides the capital, is uninspiring. Btw. what is a DESERT RIVER? I can´t recall having experienced that before? Ruins were: Culture, 50 gold, Tech, Pop, Map, Culture and on t68(!!) Unit upgrade. I got the first religion on t57 and took Tithe/Pagodas. I wanted to take something less mainstream but Pagodas will come in handy to tackle my happiness issue. Workers stolen from Kathmandu (2) and Polynesia (2 + 1 settler).

Nizef · Jan 20, 2020

Here is a funny screenshot. I got a Culture ruin on t201. On Immortal! I will take a break now. Playing 201 turns in one go, is quite rough.

Nizef · Jan 21, 2020

DipV on t315

This was hilarious. I was worried about science and how to reach Globalization by bulbing. But it turned out to be the other way around: I started bulbing much too late, which meant that I filled out more or less the entire tech tree while waiting for the WL vote.

So while waiting I built SOH, Brandenburg Gate, CN Tower, Kremlin and HST (and the Manhattan Project). I was also worried about how to ally all the hardline CS in time, but also that turned out to be false alarm. The last 30-35 turns I was mostly next-turning with all the CS as allies. I was making 500 gpt and on the last turn before the vote I gave every CS an additional 500 gold just to be safe. No AI made to the Atomic era even if there were almost no wars from the middle ages onwards (it was actually an Order hug festival (Pacal went Freedom and Washington did not make it so far)).

How useful was your UA/UU/UB?
I cleared a few camps in the beginning and it gave me an Archer and a Brute. Hanses works wonders for your production in a game like this. The Panzer was of course offside, but I actually built one, just to do it.

- Did you use spying to your advantage?
No tech stealing but the spies were useful when allying the CS.

- Did the map type help or hinder victory and how?
Indifferent I think. However, I must say that I liked the map a lot. I would have liked to have one more unique luxury near the starting location, but otherwise it was very enjoyable.

- How did the difficulty level affect your game decisions?
I was sloppy with the bulbing, otherwise I think I played according to the opposition.

- What Social Policies did you choose and in what order? Which Ideology did you choose?
Full Tradition, Patronage 3, full Rationalism, Commerce 2 and Order 8.

- What techs did you prioritize ?
Upper half of the tree until Globalization, then I continued by filling out the bottom half while waiting (only lacked 6 techs at the end).

- What did you think of the map and settings?
I liked the settings a lot. I can´t give enough praise for the fact that the map contained ruins. As always: Thank you for keeping GotM going!

raider980 · Jan 22, 2020

How did you all take Washington? I tried with CB but the city is surrounded by hills. I had 4 CB, a spearman, warrior, two axe things from barbs. Only two CB could hit the city from 2 tiles away, and even then they couldn't move in and shoot because of the terrain; the others would need to be right up next to the city. Washington was strength 21 and he had CB of his own plus some other troops around the city. So I gave up and backed out. Figured I'd wait until artillery because now he has the Great Wall.

Spoiler Here's my game through T208. :

Spoiler Screenshot T208 :

Nizef · Jan 22, 2020

raider980 said:
How did you all take Washington? I tried with CB but the city is surrounded by hills. I had 4 CB, a spearman, warrior, two axe things from barbs. Only two CB could hit the city from 2 tiles away, and even then they couldn't move in and shoot because of the terrain; the others would need to be right up next to the city. Washington was strength 21 and he had CB of his own plus some other troops around the city. So I gave up and backed out. Figured I'd wait until artillery because now he has the Great Wall.

I took it with 6 CBs and 2 Warriors. Moved 5 CBs into position at the same time (could not fit more), even as that meant next to the city. Had to kill the defending units before moving into range, that took a few turns.

zxcvbob · Jan 22, 2020

raider980 said:
How did you all take Washington?

I didn't and I've been wondering the same thing. I was actually friends with America the whole game; was friendly with almost everyone, although I think Spain was about to attack me once (my submarine saw the Spanish Armada coming and I bribed her to attack Monty. Or maybe I bribed Monty to attack her; don't remember which but it worked.)

Nizef · Jan 22, 2020

My operation was standard procedure from the Noobs guide to domination (available somewhere here on the forum).

so_what · Jan 24, 2020

Part 1
A summary of t0 - t62. As I take a long time to play, I need to just write it down now in case I forget. I also haven't play Tradition and Immortal for a long time, so my starting is probably not optimized.

Map setting:
I feel this map is somewhat restrictive in the game style. Due to the lack of lux & trade partners on hemisphere map, the best choice would be Tradition. Given raging barbs, I would need to build a small army to wipe the camps. After that, the most reasonable move would be to consolidate the army towards either Washington or Kathmandu. So in the end, my game was somewhat similar to the rest.

Build order in Capital - scout > shrine> settler > archers x2 > worker > library > archer > settler (bought) >granary >settler
Build order in Hamburg > archer x3 > granary
Ruins > I only managed to get 1 culture, 1 tech, 1 spearman upgrade, some useless stuffs like barb activities... lost 1 ruin to Polynesia. Damn... Where's my pop ruin?

Pantheon earth mother

At turn 62, I found religion with Tithe / Pagoda. Kathmandu is about to fall, but my main concern is getting enough happiness to capture it and settle my 4th city.

CHINA-JERRY · Jan 25, 2020

Win on T202
In Chinese Civ Forum and civfanatics Group we have discussed about the DipV, below the deity difficulty, a easy way to get DipV is host only one time world conference, once research Printing, we just need to make sure that we can finish research Telecommunications within 34 turns, then 48 turns after Printing we can DipV. The time we finished researching Printing determined the DipV time, in a sense, the DipV becomes a SciV, considering the actual situation, For example, in Tsg190, i planned to DipV on t 202, so i controlled to finish researching Printing on t 154 and finish researching Telecommunications before 188.

Tips:
If we should finish researching Printing as soon as possible？
No, because we need to finish researching Telecommunications within 34 turns after Printing to make sure we can start the world leader vote, so considering the actual situation, accelerate research Printing to some extent is a good choose.

How to ally city states?
Make full use of 'production to money', from the below attached pic we can see in one turn we can get 1000G, with such plenty of money, why need to worry about allying.

I may lost the final saved file, i will try to find.

so_what · Jan 27, 2020

Part 2

Summary of 63t-155t

At 73t. I took down Kathmandu after cotton from Egypt was ready. Unfortunately, it only had one building - a granary. Pretty amazed when others managed to get a shrine, granary and library in the city. I guess my luck is just bad.

Researched construction, upgraded archers to composite. Then I took out Washington at 90 turn-ish. It has just a granary and a Terracotta Army. Soon after, I made a peace deal with America and accepted New York into my empire. I beelined to Philosophy for Oracle, but Oracle was long gone before I finished researching Philosophy. Then, I researched Theology and built Haga Sophia to spread my religion.

At 121t, I had Education and started to build universities.

Then, there was a period of finding new Ais with my trireme, trading lux, managing happiness, building court houses.

At 141t, I researched Banking, 3 turns later I opened Rationalism.

Beelined machinery, and upgraded my cbows to xbows. I cleared Polynesia's units in a few turns, then waited for Forbidden Palace before I took down Honolulu. Honolulu had only 2 buildings left.. yes the granary and caravansary.

Which brings us to turn 155, where I'm one turn away from PP... Taking a pause to think about whether I should risk delaying PP.

so_what · Feb 1, 2020

Part3
231T DipV. Completed this game over the weekend.

I didn't want to stress myself, so I chose for the less risky route of taking the printing press at 156T. This meant that I needed to reach Radio at 186T (157+29) and Telecommunications at 216T (190+24+2)

A quick summary
Did a reload, settled my 8th city at Grand Mesa instead of taking Honolulu.
156T - Researched printing press. Next, I built LToP in Berlin, Global Theatre at Hamburg, and later Sistine at Munich.
173T - bulbed Scientific Theory
186T - bulbed Radio, this postponed World Congress by 2 turns
187T - opened Order. Took double happiness tenet, then quickly warred and grabbed a few peace deals.
200T - World Fair completed - a really slow world fair as Immortal AIs didnt have the production of Deity AIs. I had to expend 1700 hammers.
208T - Bulbed Replaceable Parts with a GS. Bulbed 3 GWs, used Rationalism finisher for Plastic. Bought 8 labs, bpt of 1650.
214T - Atomic theory
216T - Bulbed to Telecommunications with 2 GS to spare, used 1 to bulb Globalisation.

After Telecommunications, there were 14 turns to voting session. I assigned citizens to trading posts and easily bought every CS out there.

JeffreyLXV · Feb 5, 2020

Thanks for the fun game. I attempt the GOTM far more often than posting the outcome.

In review, I clearly should have used Rationalism to shorten the game. I usually avoid outpacing the A.I. on science, but this did drag on a bit … I actually forgot the UN required the Information Era, which doesn't really seem right, but whatever.

Avoided war, caused a couple, and started a late attempt to resurrect America from Egypt, just for fun.

Diplo victory:

Turn 367
Year 1948
Rank: Charlemagne - 1961 points.

- How useful was your UA?

Garnered three axe men and a late warrior; succeeded in each attempt. Very useful in the early game.

- Did you use spying to your advantage?

Stole two techs, then used spies as diplomats and one counter spy.

- Did the map type help or hinder victory and how?

I felt isolated and safe.

- How did the difficulty level affect your game decisions?

Stole two workers; streamlined, avoided mistakes or chasing wonders.

- What Social Policies did you choose and in what order? Which Ideology did you choose?

Tradition – Patronage – Commerce, then Freedom

- What techs did you prioritize?

Money

- What did you think of the map and settings?

I always feel raging barbarians is rough on the A.I., but it is fun. I have mixed feelings about goodie huts.

The salt and iron resources combined with the Earth Mother pantheon led to a dominate religion with a robust tithe.

beetle · Feb 15, 2020

Almost forgot to submit, as I played the map a second time. Here are the stats from my first game:
Game: Civ5 GOTM 190
Date submitted: 2020-02-15 16:23:44
Reference number: 36736
Your name: beetle
Game status: Diplomacy Victory
Game date: 1910AD
Turns played: 330
Base score: 1719
Final score: 2604
Time played: 16:16:00
Submitted save: Bismarck_0331 AD-1911 DiploVC.Civ5Save
Renamed file: beetle_C519001.Civ5Save

I won on the first WL vote, but I have no idea how to have that come up sooner.

socralynnek · Feb 21, 2020

Started mediocre, figured out, I wouldn't have time to finish, so then I read here to retry the start.

Why did some of you capture Kathmandu quite early?
I'd say, it is not so useful.
But I succeeded.
When I then went for Washington, he founded a fourth city to the west, s.t. it had three forests towards my units. And it would be close enough to Washington to be able to shoot against my units. So I failed to take one of his cities...

I don't know what would happen if I played on, I made a big mistake to let my 2nd city grow before getting a religion, this hindered spreading a lot...

This one looks interesting, probably I'll give it another try soon.

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