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[tommynt]

won this t187

in end i had 4 musician bombs of which only 1 was needed .. missed timing a bit there.

Fully peaceful 4 city tradition.
1. scientist for pp 2nd scientist for public schools 3rd and pt ones for hotels after hotels its been gg in like 20 turns - could have been 15 ..

I think one should go for 2 of the 3:
worlds fair, worlds party, world religion
i went for fair and religion - party would proly have been bit better instead either.

donnu why my ss shows all black - dumb laptop

gg

 

[Memoryjar]

donnu why my ss shows all black - dumb laptop

Same issue here. Windows 8.1 ?

 

[IronfighterXXX]

How did you manage t209? with Great Works of Music instead of concert tours!?! Oh wait, the map tells the tale. Shaka eliminated Ethiopia and Brazil for you. How convenient. My bribes to Shaka and Poland to attack them didn't help. Shaka got crushed by Brazil, Poland took out everyone but Ethiopia, leaving me the culture whores to struggle with. Your tourism output wouldn't have resulted in t209 victory in my roll. You forward-settled on Poland, I didn't, yet I had to spend virtually all my gpt to keep him from killing me because he wanted my lands so bad. Yay randomness.

Yes Shaca was helpful In my game bribed him into war was quite easy, less with Poland (even 20 gpt).
I really underestimated the power of great musicians (only last one bought by faith made concert tour, rest 4 made Great Works of Music). Probably with concert tours I would had finished like tommynt under 190 turn. Well maybe next time

 

[Cromagnus]

I imagine you're right. And I can't blame it all on bad luck. I suck at peaceful CV

 

[tommynt]

Probably with concert tours I would had finished like tommynt under 190 turn. Well maybe next time

pretty sure its been your teching which was lacking, not concert tours, as written my timing with them was pretty bad and my culture was growing for all civs kind of same good - no real runaways - the tour shaved like 5 turns - but could have done 1 or 2 tours 5 turns more early to seal the deal this more early

But my cap been size 39 in end 30 turns before your end where your cap is size 28.
But pretty much emphasis on that ... maybe even a bit too much

I didnt do any bribing btw, Poland backstabed me once but was easily defended with Units gifts from MCS and help of CS alies closeby. Soon after the war we had a friedship agreement ...

 

[Cromagnus]

pretty sure its been your teching which was lacking, not concert tours, as written my timing with them was pretty bad and my culture was growing for all civs kind of same good - no real runaways - the tour shaved like 5 turns - but could have done 1 or 2 tours 5 turns more early to seal the deal this more early

But my cap been size 39 in end 30 turns before your end where your cap is size 28.
But pretty much emphasis on that ... maybe even a bit too much

I didnt do any bribing btw, Poland backstabed me once but was easily defended with Units gifts from MCS and help of CS alies closeby. Soon after the war we had a friedship agreement ...

Yeah, I regret bribing him. I should have just fought him off. I did have the worst military, but I had the terrain advantage. At the time though, I thought bribing Poland and Shaka would result in my biggest cultural opponents getting eliminated. Lesson learned: Expecting the AI to effectively assault anyone is a bad idea. Although I do admit was pretty shocked to see Shaka get pwned by Brazil. It's possible he got pinned on the peninsula with a bad approach, due to Brazil's expos. Maybe it's just my lack of experience with CV, but I think 4 cities is stronger than 3, and 5 is stronger than 4, even with France, just because it takes some pressure off the capital build queue when you need archaeologists, and allows extra food trade routes to the capital.

 

[IronfighterXXX]

But my cap been size 39 in end 30 turns before your end where your cap is size 28.

I really wonder how you did it I took sword into plowshares belief, built granary, water mill , all food caravans to Paris asap.
However I didn't allied many maritime CS and was unlucky with we love our king lux

 

[Cromagnus]

I really wonder how you did it I took sword into plowshares belief, built granary, water mill , all food caravans to Paris asap.
However I didn't allied many maritime CS and was unlucky with we love our king lux

King day bonuses are gigantic. Micro-managing available trades is the key to this, IMHO, more so than luck. If you keep all your own luxes traded away, your luxes come up for ILTKD more often, which allows you to end trades for a turn to get them. But tommy is probably better at recommending how to do this.

 

[IronfighterXXX]

King day bonuses are gigantic. Micro-managing available trades is the key to this, IMHO, more so than luck. If you keep all your own luxes traded away, your luxes come up for ILTKD more often, which allows you to end trades for a turn to get them. But tommy is probably better at recommending how to do this.

Of course you're right. I said I was unlucky because my first lux wanted by Paris were crabs and no CS had it. They were near Indonesia coast.
Unfortunately Indonesia was busy with the war with Poland and didn't connect it until very late.

 

[Tabarnak]

That's some excellent times from Iron and tommy.

So the key is straight for hotel and nothing else toward like airports...interesting, i wonder if it's easy to get world religion without fearing to be attacked. Is it work well all the time?

Also, how much tourism per turn did you both get before spawning musicians? It seems very important around the turn 200 because at that point, at least for me, the AI seemed to gradually produce more and more cpt, so the ''opportunity'' to finish with a low score of tpt can be tighter.

 

[Cromagnus]

That's some excellent times from Iron and tommy.

So the key is straight for hotel and nothing else toward like airports...interesting, i wonder if it's easy to get world religion without fearing to be attacked. Is it work well all the time?

Also, how much tourism per turn did you both get before spawning musicians? It seems very important around the turn 200 because at that point, at least for me, the AI seemed to gradually produce more and more cpt, so the ''opportunity'' to finish with a low score of tpt can be tighter.

From what I'm seeing, neither had cultural runaways to deal with. I question whether hotels would have been sufficient if they had.

Given that, what's the best peaceful way to deal with a cultural runaway? I had the warmongers DoWing them the entire game, I blocked World's Fair because I didn't have the hammers to win it... (I think... forgot this was Immortal not Deity)

I'm a relative CV newb... what's another good trick to block a cultural runaway? I went with Media Culture, but maybe I should have gone for Cult of Personality and DoW'd Ethiopia and Brazil? Also, does that modifier apply to concert tours or only tpt?

 

[budweiser]

You simply have to check early and often for the runaways and have a plan for it. My plan was frigates but they werent needed/couldnt be used. Shaka killed Pedro so that was that. Ethiopia was my next biggest and I just used Music bombs. Pocatello actually fell last because I could not reach him.

 

[tommynt]

So the key is straight for hotel and nothing else toward like airports...interesting, i wonder if it's easy to get world religion without fearing to be attacked. Is it work well all the time?

this was my 1. cultural game win apart SS rush.

And probably France and polynesia are way best civs for a fast win.

Not sure about cult runaways being a real problem, u can just bomb them, as said bombs werent really needed here but just speeded things up a bit.

I had like 60 tourism before world religion and like 100 after - after modifiers thats 200-300 t/t - 250*20t =4000+ tourism = gg - now just bomb some1 who really got much more then that.

Theming boni seems important, need fill guilds fast to get the works for these (artifacts dont give - had to learn in this game )

for king days its been a hard map, think my cap had it only once or twice. ai had only 1 copy of many lux (whales pearls furs ...).

btw my bo:
monument scout shrine scout gl nc settler granny petra hg market phantheon oracle more wonders.
hagia, ci, machu, in noncap cities.

reli plowahres and pagodas. 1 engi for eiffel then faith for 2 bombs (bought them a bit too late )

 

[budweiser]

Tommy - why did you go for GL?

 

[tommynt]

cause teching is key?

Also gives slots for gw

 

[kb27787]

From what I'm seeing, neither had cultural runaways to deal with. I question whether hotels would have been sufficient if they had.

Given that, what's the best peaceful way to deal with a cultural runaway? I had the warmongers DoWing them the entire game, I blocked World's Fair because I didn't have the hammers to win it... (I think... forgot this was Immortal not Deity)

I'm a relative CV newb... what's another good trick to block a cultural runaway? I went with Media Culture, but maybe I should have gone for Cult of Personality and DoW'd Ethiopia and Brazil? Also, does that modifier apply to concert tours or only tpt?

Best way? Be friends with him (counterintuitive I know... but OB and routes +80% is huge) Bribes can also work but I've seen the cultural runaway usually be the runaway in everything, including tech and military... so be careful you do not cause your runaway to run away even faster because he won several wars and took other civ's artifacts.

But AIs typically do not prioritize world fair so I don't really see any reason to block it because of your monstrous Petra capitol.
All +% tourism to CIVS modifiers (and not from buildings, landmarks, etc) that is, dictatorship of proletariat, cult of personality, etc. do not work with GMs. Those buffs are applied to when your tourism is calculated against target civ and stack additionally, not multiplicatively with OB and religion and whatnot. These buffs will not increase strength of GMs; only Brazil's golden age is the exception (which is what makes the civ so amazing for CV you have an almost 100% win rate if you survived the early game).

 

[budweiser]

cause teching is key?

Also gives slots for gw

It seemed in practice that without ruins it was easier to get GL, but didn't go for it in game.

 

[Memoryjar]

It seemed in practice that without ruins it was easier to get GL, but didn't go for it in game.

This is why he is the best : GL on Immortal. It didn't build it since a long time on Immortal.

Did you settle on gold and chop deer forest with a worker ? Stolen or bought ?

 

[tommynt]

stole obviously some workers, 1 from ethopia, 1 or 2 from poland 2 from CS.

Wasnt great for my early reputation, DOFs came in a bit late and civs like zulu, rusia and shoshone seem to never give dof anyway.

Well GL - just gave it a shoot ... went for prod focus at size 4
I play for fast times only - sometimes have to take risks - one doesnt obviously allways get it turn 40+- but with dowing 2 civs they are out of race and others whom i met till the desicion been civs like zulu and shoshone who dont go for it usually.

 

[Aaronk24]

I retired in the atomic era. I only had 2 cities.

Poland had backstabbed and attacked me early on. I fought a few wars with them, but I was never able to get the upper hand.

Perhaps I either needed to settle more cities or play peacefully? The top civs in my game were Zulu, Russians, and Poland, and I wasn't able to compete with any of them.