tulkas12: Continuation from other Forum

[CaptainF]

More intelligent agnostic logic! YAY!

Hmmmmm...I do detect subtlety dear watson!

 

[Tulkas12]

Does it ever strike anyone that Strawberry jam makes God taste better? Communion wafers are rather bland, aren't they? One would think the sacrament of Christ would have a bit more flavor. I suggest they use some Schmuckers Preserves to liven those things up.

This is ********, I actually thought better of you than this. What a disappointment.

 

[CaptainF]

Forgiveness? What a lie. Religions are not forgiving whatsoever. Study some real history, not just theologic history.


I am personally offended everytime I hear the words that religious people use. They offend me as much as I seem to offend them with my free use of language and behaviors.


Hate? Yes I am very hateful of religious zealots that try to change me. Leave me alone and I am willing to do likewise. But they cannot. They need to preach, like the fool above.

Hate? You better believe it, pal. I hate what religion does to the minds and the will of human beings. It is despicable and I continue my fight to free people from the shackles of their religious oppression.


Does it ever strike anyone that Strawberry jam makes God taste better? Communion wafers are rather bland, aren't they? One would think the sacrament of Christ would have a bit more flavor. I suggest they use some Schmuckers Preserves to liven those things up.

Dude, you need to chill.

 

[Sidhe]

I don't think you actually read what I posted. I'm not trying to convince him of crap. It's usually hopeless to convince anyone of anything, even if you know them personally. He seemed sort of interested in what I had to say, but since he didn't seem to respond to anything but my calling out the hatred that blinds him, i geuss he wasn't interested at all.

I'm very familiar with his point of veiw, he's hardly the first thats espoused it.
"Dr."'s condescending attitude is also very typical, which is why most aetheists fail at even having a civil debate.

My bet? He's also a modern liberal who espouses peace left and right, but who I could get to punch me in under five minutes of talking. Welcome to the land of hypocrites. If you don't bow down to their way of thinking, your an idiot and should die.

Once again I practice no reigion, so how am I indoctriinated? I geuss because I listen to everyone and try to decide on my own, if my conclusions aren't the same as another's so be it. I may not be christian, but I thank the good lord (irony right?) that they are the majority in western society to this day.

I know this topic has been beaten to death, but hey whats one more go around hurt?

I apologise, I misinterpreted your comments, no harm done lets shake hands and forget about it

I'm agnostic so I tend to live in the central ground: knowledgable about religion and sometimes derisive of either the atheists or the believers.

 

[Tulkas12]

/nods and shakes sidhe's hand.

 

[CaptainF]

There are some Christians I like, and some I don't.

There are some atheists I like, and some I don't.

There are no hypocrites I like.

Well said actually.

I can chill with religious people. Most of the time they are quite humble and personable. Fun to be around. I'm not religious, so as long as they don't prosletyze, i'm down.

I can also chill with Atheists, but more often than not (about 60% of the time) they tend to be unpleasant people who are arrogant and conceited, not to mention bitter and overtly cynical. They also, like this "drkodos" character, tend to think they are smarter than all of the poor non-atheist fools around them.

Being who I am (somewhere in the middle of all this), I often take flak from both sides of this monumental poop throwing convention. But its all good.

 

[Sidhe]

Best pace to be Dawg, they throw poop but you remain spotless as they only hit each other.

 

[Sahkuhnder]

I know this topic has been beaten to death, but hey whats one more go around hurt?

That's the spirit!

Religion is such a varied and sometimes personal topic that is lends itself well to detailed and in-depth discussions. I doubt that religious topics will disappear from the OT anytime soon.

This thread(s) is producing some excellent and wise posts:

There are some Christians I like, and some I don't.

There are some atheists I like, and some I don't.

There are no hypocrites I like.

Well said actually.

I can chill with religious people. Most of the time they are quite humble and personable. Fun to be around. I'm not religious, so as long as they don't prosletyze, i'm down.

I can also chill with Atheists, but more often than not (about 60% of the time) they tend to be unpleasant people who are arrogant and conceited, not to mention bitter and overtly cynical. They also, like this "drkodos" character, tend to think they are smarter than all of the poor non-atheist fools around them.

Being who I am (somewhere in the middle of all this), I often take flak from both sides of this monumental poop throwing convention. But its all good.

And of course the original masterpiece for anyone who may have missed it from the other forum:

trada: I have thought it out and realized there is no god, sir, along with a bunch of other intelligentsia. Sorry you missed the meetings, they were enlightening.

Is that Ok with you? I do not mind that you allow yourself think what you think. I do not even think you a fool; just controlled, indoctrinated and unable to step outside the non-intellect package you were programmed with.

I do, however, feel sorry for you and others that need a mental crutch and cannot cope with the fact that this it, life is short, no one but you cares and the universe is 100 percent indifferent to all and everything in it.

I understand your fears and how you need to squelch them with a notion that there is something more.

There is not. Sorry.


Too bad you won't be conscious and aware of it when the fact actually hits you. Death is sort of like that. Doesn't give you a chance to mull it over and comtemplate its meaning while it takes you into nothingness. Scary, isn't it, that your life has no meaning except to create other life forms, eh?

Doesn't scare me, though. Makes life and living more precious actually. Religious people cannot wrap their brains around that. They think removing god takes away their meaning and they are correct because they are afraid of the truth.


BTW: Who does the lord want in this year's Super Bowl? How does GOD feel about the Cowboys? Which atheletes is he supoorting this year?

 

[Neonanocyborgasm]

How many times can religion keep being 100 percent wrong about life on this planet and have people still buy into it?

All the time. Religion's not about being correct factually, or else Judaism, Christianity, and Islam (at least!) would've collapsed immediately after Galileo Galilei. Like you said, it's more of a tool, to give the people simple meaning to their lives, and in doing so, control them. Nowadays, there are few authorities in control of any religion, so control is less of an issue, but religion will continue as long as the human psyche insists on reading meaning into issues that have none. As long as people are anxious about their existence, there will always be religion, and unfortunately, nothing can be done about that anxiety.

 

[wiseguy101]

This thread seems like its incited a lot of emotions; whether that's a good or bad thing, I don't know. I'm going to try and be rational here. I don't like organized religion because I don't feel like it applies to me. It seems like there are too many things in the Bible, the Koran, or the Torah that don't make sense. I don't like the image of a God who is merciful, because I don't think that its true. Would any merciful God take away a 19 year old girl from her family? Would a merciful God take away a 33 year old man by giving him AIDS? Would a merciful God take away a 42 year old man with Hepatitis C? I also don't like the fact that there have been so many wars fought over religion. There's two things that are very hard to change about people, and that is their politics, and their religion, or lack thereof. Everyone should just leave everyone else alone when it comes to those two things.

On the other hand, I also don't like it when atheists tell other people who are religious that their view is wrong. What I just posted is my opinion, and I'm not trying to sway anyone's view about their religion. I'm just posting my opinion here I don't really see a point in this thread, so this will definitely be my last post here, and I strongly reccomend that people just put aside their differences, and leave religious matters like these alone.

 

[Tulkas12]

This thread seems like its incited a lot of emotions; whether that's a good or bad thing, I don't know. I'm going to try and be rational here. I don't like organized religion because I don't feel like it applies to me. It seems like there are too many things in the Bible, the Koran, or the Torah that don't make sense. I don't like the image of a God who is merciful, because I don't think that its true. Would any merciful God take away a 19 year old girl from her family? Would a merciful God take away a 33 year old man by giving him AIDS? Would a merciful God take away a 42 year old man with Hepatitis C? I also don't like the fact that there have been so many wars fought over religion. There's two things that are very hard to change about people, and that is their politics, and their religion, or lack thereof. Everyone should just leave everyone else alone when it comes to those two things.

On the other hand, I also don't like it when atheists tell other people who are religious that their view is wrong. What I just posted is my opinion, and I'm not trying to sway anyone's view about their religion. I'm just posting my opinion here I don't really see a point in this thread, so this will definitely be my last post here, and I strongly reccomend that people just put aside their differences, and leave religious matters like these alone.

I'm not particularily one way or the other either regarding religion. I think its fun to talk about, especially when people get all emo over it. Did you see how condescending the atheist got?

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

I can see how a merciful God would allow someone to die. Remember, after all, that the idea that death is the end, is a human perspective. If God is, and there is a life after this one, then causing someone to die - to leave this temporary existence to begin the one that is our final destiny - is not wrong at all. (For God, that is. He gave us life in the first place.) It is no worse than making someone graduate from kindergarden, even if it means they won't see those particualr friends again.

But I don't need God to give my life meaning, in one sense. I am perfectly and 100% okay with the prospect of ceasing to exist after death. Non-believers constantly say that people are only religious because they fear oblivion and make up an afterlife to deal with it, but I am proof that for at least one person, that is not true. I can handle an eternity of non-existence. I believe in God, ultimately, because I genuinely and sincerely believe that He has made His presence known to me, and that to therefore deny Him would be to deny a part of myself.

 

[Sahkuhnder]

This thread seems like its incited a lot of emotions; whether that's a good or bad thing, I don't know. I'm going to try and be rational here. I don't like organized religion because I don't feel like it applies to me. It seems like there are too many things in the Bible, the Koran, or the Torah that don't make sense. I don't like the image of a God who is merciful, because I don't think that its true. Would any merciful God take away a 19 year old girl from her family? Would a merciful God take away a 33 year old man by giving him AIDS? Would a merciful God take away a 42 year old man with Hepatitis C? I also don't like the fact that there have been so many wars fought over religion. There's two things that are very hard to change about people, and that is their politics, and their religion, or lack thereof. Everyone should just leave everyone else alone when it comes to those two things.

On the other hand, I also don't like it when atheists tell other people who are religious that their view is wrong. What I just posted is my opinion, and I'm not trying to sway anyone's view about their religion. I'm just posting my opinion here I don't really see a point in this thread, so this will definitely be my last post here, and I strongly reccomend that people just put aside their differences, and leave religious matters like these alone.

Bold by me.

Then wouldn't being an agnostic and just admiiting that there isn't enough data yet to make an intelligent, informed decision be the best solution? Agnostics don't tell anyone they are wrong strictly based on religion.