At this stage of the game lightbulbing starts to become a bit useless, though, unless it's going towards a very needed tech. I think we should build an academy if there's any decent science cities that doesn't have one yet.
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1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
The way I figure it specialists and academies are worth less and less as the game goes on because you get their benefits for fewer turns while lightbulbing has a static value. I would normally opt for a GA over all three but I really don't see the need for production boost (and I think we'd need two more GP's).
I don't think we've explicitly stated it but what victory are we aiming for? I think space race looks like our best chance.
I don't think we've explicitly stated it but what victory are we aiming for? I think space race looks like our best chance.
I know that's the popular way of seeing it but consider this: the benefits of lightbulbing in beakers is almost constant - right now it's probably around 30% than in the beginning of the game - while the benefits of settled scientists and academies, in the long term, don't really fall much in the first half of the game. This is because the majority of beakers procuded in a game is produced in maybe the last 20% of the time. While the amount of time left to make use of an academy or a settled specialist shortens, the per turn benefit rises.
If this game is going to be concluded by space rise, I think (without having done any real math) that we will gain more beakers total by settling as a specialist in the oxford city than by lightbulbing.
If this game is going to be concluded by space rise, I think (without having done any real math) that we will gain more beakers total by settling as a specialist in the oxford city than by lightbulbing.
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Hmm, ok. Well as slow as the game is moving right now maybe I'll have time to do some math and test it out.
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
First of all we need to build Oxford in Wheelville. We can finish it in about 19 turns with forest chop, workshops and priest specialist.
Okay, we have two scientists. They will give 1836 beakers toward physics saving us about 3.5 turns.
but we just started Oxford (due in about 19 turns with forest chop, workshops and priest specialist)
Next specialist due in about 16 turns (80% for prophet) could be used with the scientist for a GA. That would be worth about 110 gpt for 8 turns and we don’t have much need for the hammers so this is clearly a bad option.
An academy in Wheelville will produce about 36 beakers per turn. So if the game lasts longer than 51 turns this would be the best choice. However Wheelville and Ploughland both have academies so the next best would be Polynesia. An academy there would give only 12 beakers/ turn.
Settling in Wheelville would give11 bpt, 20 bpt after Oxford The correct numbers are 20 and 30 bpt respectivly. Scientists also produce a hammer, with bonuses almost two. So on balance this is our best option if the game lasts more than 90 turns 67 turns.
Lightbulbing isn’t a bad choice but the restrictions take away some of the value. I thought Aloha was going to research Physics so we’d have to coordinate with them before we use them and that is a hassle.
So in the end I vote to settle them both in Wheelville.
Okay, we have two scientists. They will give 1836 beakers toward physics saving us about 3.5 turns.
but we just started Oxford (due in about 19 turns with forest chop, workshops and priest specialist)
Next specialist due in about 16 turns (80% for prophet) could be used with the scientist for a GA. That would be worth about 110 gpt for 8 turns and we don’t have much need for the hammers so this is clearly a bad option.
An academy in Wheelville will produce about 36 beakers per turn. So if the game lasts longer than 51 turns this would be the best choice. However Wheelville and Ploughland both have academies so the next best would be Polynesia. An academy there would give only 12 beakers/ turn.
Settling in Wheelville would give
Lightbulbing isn’t a bad choice but the restrictions take away some of the value. I thought Aloha was going to research Physics so we’d have to coordinate with them before we use them and that is a hassle.
So in the end I vote to settle them both in Wheelville.
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
The turn needs to be played tonight (about 12 more hours I think) so please post your opinions.
It doens't seem to be included. With representation a settled scientist gives ~20 beakers before Oxford and ~29 beakers after.
As such, my proposal of settling still stands.
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
A short chat of the Innovian Executive Committee...
Spoiler :
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Some things came up so I'll play the save later tonight but I wanted to fill you in on something I just discovered after a review of old chats.
The chat Theo and I were thinking of was about Aloha and Loco both wanting to use their scientist to lighbulb scientific method. Physics was never mentioned and it happened way back in July anyway.
So I think Dutch's idea might be worth a shot. We are two turns from finishing Steam Power but we can pick it up after a short diversion. What should do is change to Physics now and use our scientists in 4 turns. The risk is that Epsilon will get there first but by saving our scientists until the end it should hurt too bad if they do.
I'll send a message to Aloha and inform them of the plan.
The chat Theo and I were thinking of was about Aloha and Loco both wanting to use their scientist to lighbulb scientific method. Physics was never mentioned and it happened way back in July anyway.
So I think Dutch's idea might be worth a shot. We are two turns from finishing Steam Power but we can pick it up after a short diversion. What should do is change to Physics now and use our scientists in 4 turns. The risk is that Epsilon will get there first but by saving our scientists until the end it should hurt too bad if they do.
I'll send a message to Aloha and inform them of the plan.
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
1530 AD, I wonder what turn this is.
loco gave us their map and all their gold (57).
Aloha gave us economics, allows Free Market.
Started Oxford in Wheelville, sent 4 workers to chop forest and build workshops. Also converted 4 scientist to priests to help hurry production.
Stopped Steem Power, started Physics and put science to 90%. We may be able to rush in 2 turns. acording to scores I figure Epsilon started researching a new tech in 1510, so thats a 4 turn head start (if it is even physics).
Also dropped a cavalry unit near Aloha so we can finally see for ourselves what is going on over there.
...and check out the new city name, I can almost see my house!
loco gave us their map and all their gold (57).
Aloha gave us economics, allows Free Market.
Started Oxford in Wheelville, sent 4 workers to chop forest and build workshops. Also converted 4 scientist to priests to help hurry production.
Stopped Steem Power, started Physics and put science to 90%. We may be able to rush in 2 turns. acording to scores I figure Epsilon started researching a new tech in 1510, so thats a 4 turn head start (if it is even physics).
Also dropped a cavalry unit near Aloha so we can finally see for ourselves what is going on over there.
...and check out the new city name, I can almost see my house!
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Does anyone have any idea what happens if we finish it the same turn Epsilon? Does it help that we take our turn just before them?
I believe overflow is the tiebreaker, so don't turn science down on the last turn.
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Built a missionary for one of our newer East coast cities. Epsilon has a frigate stationed between us and Aloha. Piffle just got Steam Power. I think We'll rush Physics next turn.
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Built a missionary for one of our newer east coast cities. Epsilon has a frigate stationed between us and Aloha. Piffle just discovered Steam Power. I think we'll rush Physics next turn.
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Two great scientists used up, but as soon as I hit "End Turn" we finished physics and got another scientist. Kind of reminds me of that scene at the end of Lion King, circle of life and all that...
Shall we have Francis Bacon settle in Wheelville?
Shall we have Francis Bacon settle in Wheelville?
Yes .
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