Turn 79 - Wonder Vote

[akots]

Citizens:

There was a discussion with C3B and we agreed upon posting a poll. The goal of the vote is to decide whether we want to build another Great Wonder.

Here are the options:

1) Do not build Great Wonders now.

This is a preferred option IMO. We have substantially delayed our growth with SoZ already. More wonders would delay it even further.

2) Build Great Library.

This might be a good wonder but expensive. Its benefits do not last for a long time as well.

3) Build Great Lighthouse.

It might be a very useful wonder so that our galleys can gain an extra movement point and reach the other continent be it for exploration or war. It is still expensive though.

4) Build some other wonder. Please post any other suggestions.

Please discuss and vote promptly. The poll is set to close on September 4th.

 

[Emp.Napoleon]

I think that we should build one, and C3B build one, this way we both hold one. We need to make sure that our alliance has both, or this alliance may not bear the fruit we want.

 

[Ankka]

Remember that we already "wasted" one city to the SoZ.

 

[Rik Meleet]

If you look in this thread you'll see reasoning why it is very important that we do build the Great Lighthouse.

 

[RegentMan]

Do we even have a coastal city capable of building The Great Lighthouse in a reasonable amount of time?

 

[Rik Meleet]

Do we even have a coastal city capable of building The Great Lighthouse in a reasonable amount of time?

checking now ...
Ryttylä can get up to 7 or 8 uncorrupted shields rather quickly. for more shields workers are to be deployed there. I think we can get it up to 11 or 12 uncorrupted shields; if we want to.
The other coastal cities are too corrupt to my liking.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

I wich to change my earlier vote for no new wonder to building the Lighthouse.
Moderator Action: Subtracted 1 from "No Wonder" and added 1 to "Great Lighthouse"

 

[Matrix]

I'd rather have C3B building the Great Lighthouse then us, because then we probably only have C3B as our target, while they can attack the others as well. C3B will also be much faster with building it.

Secondly, I agree with akots: we need our resources to overcome our backward situation as much as possible. Buikding a wonder simply costs too much.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Maxtrix i fully understand that sentiment ,and let me make a nuancation to my vote: Should C3B not want to build it then i want us to build the Lighthouse ,but if they are willing to build it then we should lt them do it.
However ,i want the lighthouse to be build atleast on our continent.

another nuancation : should we be able to reach the other continent withought lighthouse ,then discard the need to build it.

Even if we try to build the lighthouse there would be a possibilety the other continent builds it first ,wich would be a hughe waste for us.But under certain circumstances the construction of the lighthouse could be vital for our survival into the next round.

 

[Hygro]

Build great lighthouse, but don't start it quite yet. I feel we need to build up a bit. Now how to interpret what I mean is up to the president

 

[Emp.Napoleon]

I'd rather have C3B building the Great Lighthouse then us, because then we probably only have C3B as our target, while they can attack the others as well. C3B will also be much faster with building it.

Secondly, I agree with akots: we need our resources to overcome our backward situation as much as possible. Buikding a wonder simply costs too much.

If C3B builds the wonder, they may backstab us and ally with the Western Alliance, and we are dead, since we can not hold off an attack of that magnitude.

While if we build the wonder, they can't, and maybe we will be able to get a little revolution on the other continant, getting one power to ally, and destroying the other.

 

[Hygro]

If we build the wonder, we might have a nice trade route

 

[Rik Meleet]

And what will we do if C3B doesn't want to build the Great Library ?

 

[Ankka]

Didn't they say in some chat that they were planning to build both?

 

[Matrix]

If C3B builds the wonder, they may backstab us and ally with the Western Alliance, and we are dead, since we can not hold off an attack of that magnitude.

I don't follow you here. What advantage will the Great Lighthouse give C3B on us that they'd be able to attack us?

 

[RegentMan]

I don't follow you here. What advantage will the Great Lighthouse give C3B on us that they'd be able to attack us?

Maybe he's saying that with The Great Lighthouse C3B will find the other continent faster, not tell us, and make deals with them.

 

[magnusmarcus]

If C3B builds the wonder, they may backstab us and ally with the Western Alliance, and we are dead, since we can not hold off an attack of that magnitude.

What happened to the "Eternal Alliance" ?

Actually, it would benefit us greatly to have contact with the team thats getting punked over in the other continent.

I propose an idea.

We or C3b build the Great lighthouse.....

We send suicide galleys to make contact with the civs on the other continent.

If and when one of the other teams becomes mortally wounded we give that civ a town on our continent thus saving one team from impending doom and preserving all 5 teams.

Then when our alliance attacks the other continent in force we can capture some cites and then give them back to the civ that was displaced earlier.

Then the displaced civ can raze the town we gave them and reestablish thier capital on the other continent.

The displaced civ builds defensive units to put in any new cities we conquer thus freeing up our armies to continue the attack.

Any cities captured over there would be extremely corrupt anyway except for the "Displaced" Civ who is now so extremely gracious to us because we saved there arse from impending doom.

We then wipe the other 2 aggresive civs from the face of the earth.

Now if this came to pass we would benefit several ways....

1.) The 2 aggresive civs on the other continent would not perpetuate there alliance into the next game... Definately a plus.

2.) We earn immense good will from the civ we saved which may perpetuate into the next game... Also a plus.

3.) While we keep the "Displaced" civ alive C3b would be less likely to team up againts us with the folks on the other continent just to finish the game and move on to the next. (I assume this is what Emp was talking about)

Just some food for thought...

 

[RegentMan]

The hell I'm letting us give GCA a city on our continent.

 

[magnusmarcus]

The hell I'm letting us give GCA a city on our continent.

Why not if it furthers our objective?

Tell me how you really feel.

 

[akots]

@magnusmarcus: This is a very intriguing plan you have. Not sure if the rules allow this. It looks interesting but might be somewhat complicated. The problem is that if we are able to capture cities on the other continent (which might be not so easy), we would not need anyone but C3B to help us. Also, you need a very strong trust in that other team to give them a city on our continent. And GCA might be not the exact kind of that team.