Trystero
Deity
So we still have Bode all to ourselves. I think we'll have to reevaluate our settling priorities. I'll have to test out whether we want 2 macemen right away. We desperately need more workers, but it would be gaining us a free city.
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Trystero
Deity
I tried Macemen versus barb cities in a test game. I think 1 Maceman is sufficient to capture a barb city that is only defended by warriors. I would recommend building the Maceman in Sirius and a worker in Canopus.
AlphaShard
Emperor
Should we move Hebe 1SE or stay where it is now?
Trystero
Deity
Have Merlot moved yet? With their Holkan in the area, I would stay where we are now.
Edit: Remember to set Hebe to heal.
Edit: Remember to set Hebe to heal.
AlphaShard
Emperor
I just realised were going to need to build an Aquaduct to allow Sirius to grow more.
Trystero
Deity
Unhealthiness isn't nearly as detrimental as unhappiness. We can grow even with the unhealthiness, albeit more slowly. I'll admit this defeats the advantages of building the lighthouse, though.
Since we have lots of seafood, it might be better to build a harbor for the health bonus, since it also increases our yield from trade routes.
Since we have lots of seafood, it might be better to build a harbor for the health bonus, since it also increases our yield from trade routes.
Yes, a harbour is strictly better than an aqueduct I think. We should build both anyway. I don't know if we've started a maceman already, but if not then I'd rather build one somewhere else to let Sirius keep concentrating on its own infrastructure.
At least with Beaurocracy though we can build things there relatively quickly anyway.
At least with Beaurocracy though we can build things there relatively quickly anyway.
AlphaShard
Emperor
Canopus can build a Macemen in 9 turns instead of the worker.
Trystero
Deity
I believe we've started the maceman and ended the turn, but we can still change the build before the turn ends.
If we want to build just infrastructure (i.e., harbor next), we can switch to a harbor. If we build the maceman in Canopus, with some micro (switching from a fish tile to a forested plains hill just before growth) we could whip the maceman in 2-3 turns. If we put the overflow hammers into a worker, Canopus could finish a worker a ~4 turns after that.
This would entail changing the build in Sirius to a harbor, and in Canopus to a maceman before this turn ends. Do we want to do that?
If we want to build just infrastructure (i.e., harbor next), we can switch to a harbor. If we build the maceman in Canopus, with some micro (switching from a fish tile to a forested plains hill just before growth) we could whip the maceman in 2-3 turns. If we put the overflow hammers into a worker, Canopus could finish a worker a ~4 turns after that.
This would entail changing the build in Sirius to a harbor, and in Canopus to a maceman before this turn ends. Do we want to do that?
That all sounds good to me, but honestly it's probably too risky to go changing everything around at the last minute. Unless someone other than me is particularly keen to switch to a harbour lets just stick with what we're doing.
The maceman won't take that many turns anyway will it? And we'll get it quicker this way too.
Trystero
Deity
If anyone's interested here's the micro for the scenario I outlined above. This actually gets us the maceman faster (in 3 turns):
Edit: Note we could do this in Canopus even if we don't build the harbor in Sirius, but we need to switch the build in Canopus soon.
Edit: Note we could do this in Canopus even if we don't build the harbor in Sirius, but we need to switch the build in Canopus soon.
AlphaShard
Emperor
Turn 87 still hasn't started so we can do these changes now. Quatrona and Mavericks have not ended their turn.
Trystero
Deity
And I will be on record as liking the harbor/harbour idea. If we are going to the trouble of building improvements like a LH to promote growth in Sirius, we should try to stick to that approach. And the trade route bonus would be nice as well.
We haven't actually put any hammers into the maceman yet. Even though we have ended our portion of the turn, the turn doesn't actually end until all the teams have ended it or the timer expires.
We haven't actually put any hammers into the maceman yet. Even though we have ended our portion of the turn, the turn doesn't actually end until all the teams have ended it or the timer expires.
AlphaShard
Emperor
I suck at math but how much is +50% to two +3 trade routes? I guess +4?
Trystero
Deity
It's +3 gold. You are essentially adding one trade route for every 2 you have.
The harbour trade route bonus isn't nearly as good as you think. The 3 or 4 commerce we're getting from trade routes now is made up of:
1.0 Base Value x ~350% worth of bonuses (foreign, intercontinental, long peace, etc.)
The harbour makes that:
1.0 Base Value x ~400% worth of bonuses.
So basically we'll get ~1 commerce from it. The only reason it's better than an aqueduct is that we get the same 2
for 80
rather than 100.
1.0 Base Value x ~350% worth of bonuses (foreign, intercontinental, long peace, etc.)
The harbour makes that:
1.0 Base Value x ~400% worth of bonuses.
So basically we'll get ~1 commerce from it. The only reason it's better than an aqueduct is that we get the same 2
for 80 rather than 100.Just to explain this, what I mean by "risky" is that we're changing things at the last minute, thereby throwing plans into minor disarray. If those plans aren't quite fully thought through yet either way then maybe that isn't such a big deal.
Trystero
Deity
The harbour trade route bonus isn't nearly as good as you think. The 3 or 4 commerce we're getting from trade routes now is made up of:
1.0 Base Value x ~350% worth of bonuses (foreign, intercontinental, long peace, etc.)
The harbour makes that:
1.0 Base Value x ~400% worth of bonuses.
So basically we'll get ~1 commerce from it. The only reason it's better than an aqueduct is that we get the same 2
Ah. Well, I think it is worth it for the health. With the granary and lighthouse, Sirius will grow to size 9 fairly soon. It seems best to delay the effects of unhealthiness as long as possible to work as many cottages (and gold) as we can.
They really aren't thought through yet. I attempted to start a discussion about this here. Other than those thoughts of mine, we are now basically making it up as we go along.
AlphaShard
Emperor
I thought the long term plan of Sirius was to let it grow, never whip it, the Health cap is about to be reached so we need more to help it continued speedy growth.
The other civs have clearly been using the whip quite a bit, alot more then we have.
The Harbor will increase our commerce and health cap so we can continue to let Sirius grow. Trystero said that his WB test we got the Maceman 3 turns quicker doing it this way.
The other civs have clearly been using the whip quite a bit, alot more then we have.
The Harbor will increase our commerce and health cap so we can continue to let Sirius grow. Trystero said that his WB test we got the Maceman 3 turns quicker doing it this way.
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