PrinceMyshkin
King
Yilar said:Just a note. They have to take both whip it and palace to utility their 8 tanks...
I think you are right. It certainly would have helped for the next turn to notice this while we playing as I judged to quickly.

We've received a response from Saber that is encouraging as well.
Dear Team Gong,
We're sorry to hear about the brutal attack on your home country. We
don't have any troops in the vicinity, so we can't help you directly.
However, in the interest of hindering FREE, we are willing to offer
you 200 gold in exchange for your world map and an account of the
numbers and types of FREE troops that invaded your continent.
We also hope you will continue to be able to send us luxuries as part
of our trade agreements. Could you inform us if you think you will
lose them, so we can adjust our luxury spending?
Hang in there!
dutchfire
The Babes also sent this message after playing their turn:
OK hopefully four more turns till tanks. I sent 1900g back since it's at a slight deficit. I abandoned to worthless coastal cities so I have 8 infantry on cities they can hit. I've back up those cities with 2 infantry so they can run right through us with cavs. Cross your fingers.
I've already sent a response to Saber that is a bit long-winded I'll put in a spoiler.
Spoiler :
Dear Team Saber,
We are very happy to hear from you. I was just about to compose a note to send to you about the state of world affairs. We are confident you will not lose the luxuries we are providing you next turn or most likely even several turns. We also do not believe your troops will be necessary to come to our defense for now. If things change over the next few turns you can be assured we will keep you informed. I am more than glad to inform you of the types of troops and a bit about the strategy Free used in their ferocious and nearly successful fatal sneak attack. Unfortunately, our scout boats were unable to spot their fleet the attack. The Council had boats in the area and they might have informed us but chose not to do so. They have brought nothing but marines, tanks and artillery, all veterans of course and both turns landed more tanks via airfield. The initial transportation was via transports and from what we have observed they have been escorted only by cruisers. They have not brought any carriers or used any planes in the attack and appear largely unaware we even possess a navy. I can only assume they did not get computers as their free technology upon arrival to the modern age as the presence of even a small number of such units would have most assuredly meant our hasty exit from the game and quite possibly led to their victory despite Saber's superior Intelligence.
Both turns we have been successful in destroying their airfields and steps have been taken to insure they will not be able to build another next turn. We have successfully captured all their artillery and used it against them as these were stacked and left unguarded. Their public announcement that hints they investigated cities before the attack and the impressive territorial gains they achieved on the first turn undoubtly left them lacking as to our true military abilities and they have payed dearly for their overconfidence. We have recaptured all our territory except Whiskeytown on our northwest coast as you will be able to observe when you receive the turn. Gong is now at 100% level-4 war-weariness as is Team Free. By my calculations we have inflicted 602 war-weariness points on them and they will receive even more next turn. They will remain at 100% war-weariness for as long as Team Gong survives.
On the second turn of their attack they have even resorted to razing our towns. We have been forced to abandon some towns as well to prevent more landings and further breakouts on our shores. We may lose 2-3 more towns in attacks and have to aboandon more as we are determined to not let them make any permanent gains on our shores. Our culture prevents them now from using their remaining stack of tanks on our shores from capturing any towns on the next turn and we will take all steps necessary to prevent them from succeeding at blitzkrieg and we are confident we can hold out for a decent number of turns without disrupting trade with Saber or the Council.
Your offer of world map and 200 gold is appreciated but really gain nothing from this at this time. With careful planning we might be able to thwart Free indefinetely, but this is still in doubt and we will continue to provide updates and some details as necessary.
Team Gong has been determined from early in the game to not be an aggressor nation and while our most obvious means of peaceful victory is almost impossible we will not change this policy. Our permanent partnership with the Babes struck before any other contacts were made contains no military clause whatsoever, we do not share troop numbers, locations or in-game maps with them at any time or otherwise help plan any of their military strategy. Only occasionally do we report movements near our shores and our navy does no scouting for them at all. Long ago they chose to ignore our advice to pursue pointless early wars for little or no gain, but our advice went unheeded which has been quite a complication for us. Especially their attack on Saber over a warrior not in their territory was most unfortunate and a truly regretable development. Despite their desire for us to conduct no trade with Saber at any time, we ignored their wish as nothing in our agreement prevented this until the Great Library was made obsolete, with the exception of military tradition. We have now agreements with the Babes such they will never again declare war on another team in the future and any war.
This leads to the present concern we have for peaceful nations abilities to stop Free's attempt at world conquest and domination. It is understandable that you might now wish to destroy the Babes, but their downfall might also lead to Gong's early defeat and the strengthening of Free for the undoubted future war you will have with the other world super-power. Is it really to your advantage to seek a large territorial gain that now that will be costly to you in terms of happiness, increased corruption through your empire, the spreading of your defenses and the cost needed to make this territory useful and defend it? Why not take steps to thwart the true world aggessor now and make gains against them instead? You could pursue a possible peaceful victory or if you prefer military victory put it off until absolutely necessary to victory with a greater chance of success. Your friends at the Council are a major power and a possible future world power to replace Free and still maintain the balance of power in the future world. Are two backwards minor powers still yet 5 technologies from joining you in the modern age that will never declare war on anybody such a threat to your probable victory should Free be defeated now? If you were to make peace with the Babes on your terms gaining trade with them or declare a cease-fire we could sign a Mutual Protection Pact next turn. Free would be forced to halt their attack on us, retain their war-weariness and you will still remain a non-aggressor and be able to acheive all your goals whenever you desire. Continued war with the Babes now could lead to Free's victory as they are sure to learn from their mistakes in the war against Gong.
Our potential cultural victory was only possible in the distant future and by our calculations we might have seen a spaceship launch before we achieved it. If Free or any other modern age team had been concerned at culture in the future a mere note of "slow your culture or prepare to be nuked" would have most likely sufficed. Free's excuse for their attack is flimsy indeed. I've reviewed our diplomacy as I was away from Gong for some time and we have received 2 messages from them. "Included in game deal silks for spices" which we agreed to before our agreement with Saber to no longer trade with them. We had military tradition and furs to offer them also, but upheld our bargain with Saber as we recognized Free as we all recognized Free as a threat with their apparent isolationist policy.
Apologies for this long-winded response, but whatever course you decide to take is your decision alone. Just thought I should point out some mutual advantages and in any case Gong hopes for world peace, will always honor its deals, continue to conduct trade, seek to maintain the balance of power as long as possible, and attempt to win without changing our non-aggressive policy whatever happens in the future. Hopefully, communications and even warmer relations can develop in the future and we look forward to hearing from you at any time.
BestRegards and Thanks,
PrinceMyshkin
TeamGong
We are very happy to hear from you. I was just about to compose a note to send to you about the state of world affairs. We are confident you will not lose the luxuries we are providing you next turn or most likely even several turns. We also do not believe your troops will be necessary to come to our defense for now. If things change over the next few turns you can be assured we will keep you informed. I am more than glad to inform you of the types of troops and a bit about the strategy Free used in their ferocious and nearly successful fatal sneak attack. Unfortunately, our scout boats were unable to spot their fleet the attack. The Council had boats in the area and they might have informed us but chose not to do so. They have brought nothing but marines, tanks and artillery, all veterans of course and both turns landed more tanks via airfield. The initial transportation was via transports and from what we have observed they have been escorted only by cruisers. They have not brought any carriers or used any planes in the attack and appear largely unaware we even possess a navy. I can only assume they did not get computers as their free technology upon arrival to the modern age as the presence of even a small number of such units would have most assuredly meant our hasty exit from the game and quite possibly led to their victory despite Saber's superior Intelligence.
Both turns we have been successful in destroying their airfields and steps have been taken to insure they will not be able to build another next turn. We have successfully captured all their artillery and used it against them as these were stacked and left unguarded. Their public announcement that hints they investigated cities before the attack and the impressive territorial gains they achieved on the first turn undoubtly left them lacking as to our true military abilities and they have payed dearly for their overconfidence. We have recaptured all our territory except Whiskeytown on our northwest coast as you will be able to observe when you receive the turn. Gong is now at 100% level-4 war-weariness as is Team Free. By my calculations we have inflicted 602 war-weariness points on them and they will receive even more next turn. They will remain at 100% war-weariness for as long as Team Gong survives.
On the second turn of their attack they have even resorted to razing our towns. We have been forced to abandon some towns as well to prevent more landings and further breakouts on our shores. We may lose 2-3 more towns in attacks and have to aboandon more as we are determined to not let them make any permanent gains on our shores. Our culture prevents them now from using their remaining stack of tanks on our shores from capturing any towns on the next turn and we will take all steps necessary to prevent them from succeeding at blitzkrieg and we are confident we can hold out for a decent number of turns without disrupting trade with Saber or the Council.
Your offer of world map and 200 gold is appreciated but really gain nothing from this at this time. With careful planning we might be able to thwart Free indefinetely, but this is still in doubt and we will continue to provide updates and some details as necessary.
Team Gong has been determined from early in the game to not be an aggressor nation and while our most obvious means of peaceful victory is almost impossible we will not change this policy. Our permanent partnership with the Babes struck before any other contacts were made contains no military clause whatsoever, we do not share troop numbers, locations or in-game maps with them at any time or otherwise help plan any of their military strategy. Only occasionally do we report movements near our shores and our navy does no scouting for them at all. Long ago they chose to ignore our advice to pursue pointless early wars for little or no gain, but our advice went unheeded which has been quite a complication for us. Especially their attack on Saber over a warrior not in their territory was most unfortunate and a truly regretable development. Despite their desire for us to conduct no trade with Saber at any time, we ignored their wish as nothing in our agreement prevented this until the Great Library was made obsolete, with the exception of military tradition. We have now agreements with the Babes such they will never again declare war on another team in the future and any war.
This leads to the present concern we have for peaceful nations abilities to stop Free's attempt at world conquest and domination. It is understandable that you might now wish to destroy the Babes, but their downfall might also lead to Gong's early defeat and the strengthening of Free for the undoubted future war you will have with the other world super-power. Is it really to your advantage to seek a large territorial gain that now that will be costly to you in terms of happiness, increased corruption through your empire, the spreading of your defenses and the cost needed to make this territory useful and defend it? Why not take steps to thwart the true world aggessor now and make gains against them instead? You could pursue a possible peaceful victory or if you prefer military victory put it off until absolutely necessary to victory with a greater chance of success. Your friends at the Council are a major power and a possible future world power to replace Free and still maintain the balance of power in the future world. Are two backwards minor powers still yet 5 technologies from joining you in the modern age that will never declare war on anybody such a threat to your probable victory should Free be defeated now? If you were to make peace with the Babes on your terms gaining trade with them or declare a cease-fire we could sign a Mutual Protection Pact next turn. Free would be forced to halt their attack on us, retain their war-weariness and you will still remain a non-aggressor and be able to acheive all your goals whenever you desire. Continued war with the Babes now could lead to Free's victory as they are sure to learn from their mistakes in the war against Gong.
Our potential cultural victory was only possible in the distant future and by our calculations we might have seen a spaceship launch before we achieved it. If Free or any other modern age team had been concerned at culture in the future a mere note of "slow your culture or prepare to be nuked" would have most likely sufficed. Free's excuse for their attack is flimsy indeed. I've reviewed our diplomacy as I was away from Gong for some time and we have received 2 messages from them. "Included in game deal silks for spices" which we agreed to before our agreement with Saber to no longer trade with them. We had military tradition and furs to offer them also, but upheld our bargain with Saber as we recognized Free as we all recognized Free as a threat with their apparent isolationist policy.
Apologies for this long-winded response, but whatever course you decide to take is your decision alone. Just thought I should point out some mutual advantages and in any case Gong hopes for world peace, will always honor its deals, continue to conduct trade, seek to maintain the balance of power as long as possible, and attempt to win without changing our non-aggressive policy whatever happens in the future. Hopefully, communications and even warmer relations can develop in the future and we look forward to hearing from you at any time.
BestRegards and Thanks,
PrinceMyshkin
TeamGong
Hopefully, I've not revealed too much but I think its okay. There still may be hope for us in the future and at least the Council and Saber are discussing things. The future is still uncertain and certainly the next few turns will be difficult, but it appears things are a bit more hopeful than when the war started. Any other thoughts or ideas would be helpful. The more possibities we can think of the better our chances.
I noticed a bump of 8cpt in Councils culture last turn that is not possible due to culture doubling. It could mean they got ecology as their free tech since they are now building more metros and might build temples or cathedrals for happiness since they have Sistine's Chapel. Or it could mean they have compupters and built 4 research labs to speed their way to the Internet. Saber and Council still haven't traded tech, but I'm uncertain if this means they got the same tech or not.
EDIT: Crosspost with Yilar, no maps for Saber.
