Type 45 class Destroyer- most advanced vessel of its kind?

[Formaldehyde]

He could certainly admit he has access to classified information and use that as a reason not to comment. My father used that particular 'excuse' numerous times when discussing the military in my presence, and he occasionally commented his surprise when he saw information which was considered to be classified in the public domain.

In fact, if he does have access to classified information, he would already likely be guilty of disclosing too much merely for stating his opinions on this forum, which utilized that data to arrive at his conclusions. Correct?

You can't have it both ways...

 

[eastsidebagel]

Please kill me. I'm a worthless ****!
eastsidebagel

 

[Sidhe]

He could certainly admit he has access to classified information and use that as a reason not to comment. In fact, if he does have access to classified information, he would already likely be guilty of disclosing too much merely for stating his opinions on this forum which utilized that data. Correct?

My father used that particular 'excuse' numerous times in my presence, and he occsionally commented his surprise when he saw information which was considered to be classified in the media.

You can't it both ways...

He's divulged nothing more than the Wiki article so I doubt it. If he started declaring how research was done and details about prototype tech then yeah. But report him to MI5 if you have a problem.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Yeah. I'm sure they would be interested in the comments made in a gaming forum over the best AAW platform in the navy which clearly did not involve anything even resembling classified information.

But you did just contradict yourself.

I was once questioned by a Commander on talking about type 42's on a Naval base, because the public might hear me. It didn't matter that I had no more than a passing understanding of the subject at all.

Once again, you can't it both ways. Either loose lips may sink ships, or it doesn't really matter, either on a naval base or in an internet gaming forum.

 

[Sidhe]

Yeah. I'm sure they would be interested in the comments made in a gaming forum over the best AAW platform in the navy which clearly did not involve anything even resembling classified information.

But you did just contradict yourself.



Once again, you can't it both ways. Either loose lips may sink ships, or it doesn't really matter, either on a naval base or in an internet gaming forum.

In order to make the assertion I'd contradicted myself you'd have to know what I said and you don't, so there we go.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Of course I don't. I disagree with you so by definition my opinions must be 'wrong'. Right?

 

[Sidhe]

Of course I don't. I disagree with you so by definition I can't possibly know what I'm talking about. Right?

That makes no sense, you just made a non sequitur about what I did, making further non sequiutrs based on that seems to be without merit.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You can try they are non sequiturs but your quote states otherwise. Either it is a breach of security to discuss the relative merits of naval craft if you are in the navy and have more than a passing knowledge of the subject, or it is not.

More likely, the commander just wanted you to shut up because he thought you didn't know what you were talking about. Occam's razor.

 

[yesboii]

You can try they are non sequiturs but your quote states otherwise. Either it is a breach of security to discuss the relative merits of naval craft if you are in the navy and have more than a passing knowledge of the subject, or it is not.

More likely, the commander just wanted you to shut up because you didn't know what you were talking about. Occam's razor.

Everything isn't black and white. There are shades of gray.
-Some wise old man.

 

[Sidhe]

You can try they are non sequiturs but your quote states otherwise. Either it is a breach of security to discuss the relative merits of naval craft if you are in the navy and have more than a passing knowledge of the subject, or it is not.

More likely, the commander just wanted you to shut up because he thought you didn't know what you were talking about. Occam's razor.

Pretending that your non sequitur isn't a non sequitur based on hidden knowledge or other non sequiturs could get tiresome. I suggest you admit that you have no idea what you were referring to thus your argument is null.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You aren't going to find too many professional military personnel discussing the relative merits of weapons systems in public - at least when their real names are known.

First, it would likely be considered to be a security breach if those opinions are based on classified infornmation.

http://www.armystudyguide.com/conte...ll_Levels_2_4/3013711052-sl3-protect-cl.shtml

Information is any knowledge that can be communicated or documentary material, regardless of its physical form or characteristics, that is owned by, produced by or for, or is under the control of the U.S. Government. Unauthorized disclosure is a communication or physical transfer of classified information to an unauthorized recipient.

Second, it would likely be considered to be a breach of the longstanding policy of keeping the military separated from partisan politics.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/05/25/america/pent.php

While retired officers have full rights to political activism, their colleagues still in uniform fear its effect on those trying to carry out the mission, especially more junior officers and enlisted personnel. Active-duty military personnel are prohibited from taking part in partisan politics.

"As the nation prepares to elect a new president," Mullen wrote, "we would all do well to remember the promises we made: to obey civilian authority, to support and defend the Constitution and to do our duty at all times."

"Keeping our politics private is a good first step," he added. "The only things we should be wearing on our sleeves are our military insignia."

"I am not suggesting that military professionals abandon all personal opinions about modern social or political issues," Mullen wrote. "What I am suggesting - indeed, what the nation expects - is that military personnel will, in the execution of the mission assigned to them, put aside their partisan leanings. Political opinions have no place in cockpit or camp or conference room."