UI - Improved City View (Vox Populi with EUI)

Infixo · Jan 25, 2018

tu_79 said:
Isn't this list a bit long for 'must haves'?

Haha, like I said - evyone has his own 'must haves'.

Anyway, the criteria I would use to select:
1. The mod is a pure UI mod, must be "doesn't affect save files" - non disputable, imho.
2. The mod is adding gameplay useful info i.e. having it enables you to make better decisions but NOT cheating!
3. Any other changes must be non-invasive for players who don't want them i.e. I can play without ever knowing that they are there until I conciously use them.

Examples.
- InfoAddict - unfortunately it is not pure-UI mod (I personally think it provides too much info on civ's internal progress)
- RandomCityNames, UnitContextualNames, GreatProphetHistoricalNames - not gameplay useful, invasive (pure "for fun" mods)
- RCI - invasive
- etc.

ryanmusante · Jan 25, 2018

akamal said:
I'm also testing a reworked PromoFlags, that uses the EUI UnitFlagManager, doesn't mess with LostOnUpgrade property of the promotions, is less of a performance drag late game, and also improved the clarity of some of the icons.

That is good to hear. I stopped using RED and FlagPromotions because of the heavy resources it uses and inevitable problems with combining together with VP.

Infixo said:
2. The mod is adding gameplay useful info i.e. having it enables you to make better decisions but NOT cheating!

Indeed, I think I have now made my final decision about removal of particular ones since I'm not the only person in seeing that some are just plain cheating.

tu_79 said:
Isn't this list a bit long for 'must haves'?

Yes, perhaps (I made a note on the list) . I am constantly trimming and pruning to come down to a more minimalistic approach but, the eye candy of some of these mods makes it hard to resist the lure.

Technoluddite · Jan 25, 2018

That sounds like a sensible set of criteria, although excludes a surprising number of mods. Out of my current mod list (which is mostly UI tweaks\addtions and small rule changes)

Spoiler :

I think only these meet the criteria:
akPromoFlagsEUI
Quick Turns (v 10)
UI - Map Pins (v 17)
UI - Auto Map Pins (v 4)
UI - City Production (v 15)
UI - Overlay Antiquities (v 2)
UI - Overlay Luxuries (v 3)
UI - Overlay Resources (v 11)
UI - Promotion Tree (v 15) - Fixed by me
UI - Religion Spread (v 13) - seems to work, what did you change infixo?
UI - Show XP in Military Overview (v 2.2)
UI - Trade Opportunities (v 28) - partially work with VP
UI - Upgrade Tree (v 8) - Fixed by me
Unit Path Viewer (v 10) - Fixed by me

And even then, I wouldn't include all of them in a 'Must Have' compilation: FlagPromos is always going to hurt performance; the Overlays block some EUI functionality; and even fixed Unit Path Viewer writes to the save file (although it's fine if you disable it mid-game).

Perhaps a better idea, would be a Recommended Mod list?

Technoluddite · Jan 25, 2018

Infixo said:
I have not fixed Promo Tree entirely, only enabled CombatClass drop-down.
So, if you managed to display a tree for a selected unit, then go for it and post it as well.

Yeah, both Promo and Upgrade Tree is fixed to pick up on the selected unit. I'll try to post both at the weekend.

Infixo · Jan 25, 2018

akamal said:
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UI - Religion Spread (v 13) - seems to work, what did you change infixo?

I think I had problems with the button to found a pantheon. Or this flags-thing. Did it some time ago, don’t remember exactly. Anyway, I took VP version and re-apply only necessary changes to make sure it’s fully VP compatible.

ryanmusante · Jan 25, 2018

akamal said:
Yeah, both Promo and Upgrade Tree is fixed to pick up on the selected unit. I'll try to post both at the weekend.

Unit Path Viewer, what does this do vs UI - Destination?

Infixo said:
UI - Wonder Planner (v 14) I've changed how the techs are counted so it loads very quickly now

Could this also be uploaded when you have time?

Technoluddite · Jan 25, 2018

ryanmusante said:
And Unit Path Viewer would be a nice addition as well. What does this do vs UI - Destination?

If I remember correctly, UI - Destination shows just the destination of the unit, whereas Unit Path shows the path the unit (might!) take, and the path it (might have!) taken to get to where it is, from where it was when given the move order.

Be careful if you use it as-is though. Although it works fine, it incorporates a very old version of TableSaverLoader and will cause subtle problems with mods that use a newer version (such as civ_linked_great_generals__v_11). I'll see if I can track down where I found it, and see if the author's okay with me releasing a fixed verson.

tu_79 · Jan 25, 2018

Infixo said:
Haha, like I said - evyone has his own 'must haves'.

Anyway, the criteria I would use to select:
1. The mod is a pure UI mod, must be "doesn't affect save files" - non disputable, imho.
2. The mod is adding gameplay useful info i.e. having it enables you to make better decisions but NOT cheating!
3. Any other changes must be non-invasive for players who don't want them i.e. I can play without ever knowing that they are there until I conciously use them.

Examples.
- InfoAddict - unfortunately it is not pure-UI mod (I personally think it provides too much info on civ's internal progress)
- RandomCityNames, UnitContextualNames, GreatProphetHistoricalNames - not gameplay useful, invasive (pure "for fun" mods)
- RCI - invasive
- etc.

This seems sensible to me. If I want InfoAddict I can install it myself, knowing the risks. I prefer that you keep it short than having to deal with savegame problems, or feeling that you are cheating, knowing more than you should.

Also, if any mod wants to be in this list, just make them complain with the rules. How would you name this creature? UI basic modpack for VP?

Y.O. · Jan 25, 2018

akamal said:
If I remember correctly, UI - Destination shows just the destination of the unit, whereas Unit Path shows the path the unit (might!) take, and the path it (might have!) taken to get to where it is, from where it was when given the move order.

Be careful if you use it as-is though. Although it works fine, it incorporates a very old version of TableSaverLoader and will cause subtle problems with mods that use a newer version (such as civ_linked_great_generals__v_11). I'll see if I can track down where I found it, and see if the author's okay with me releasing a fixed verson.

There's a version UI - Destination that was fixed by Serp that I found on the forums somewhere. Maybe ask if it's OK to use his version? EDIT: You're talking about Unit Path Viewer, my mistake!

Infixo · Jan 26, 2018

ryanmusante said:
Could this also be uploaded when you have time?

I only made a technical change. This mod requires also changes to accomodate for new VP features. So, it is not ready to be released. I can put it here just for some testing.

ryanmusante · Jan 26, 2018

akamal said:
Yeah, both Promo and Upgrade Tree is fixed to pick up on the selected unit. I'll try to post both at the weekend.

And Unit Path Viewer also, please. :please:

Infixo · Jan 27, 2018

akamal said:
Unit Path Viewer (v 10) - Fixed by me
the Overlays block some EUI functionality; and even fixed Unit Path Viewer writes to the save file (although it's fine if you disable it mid-game).

What did you fix in Unit Path Viewer? Could it be related to freezes on barbarian turns?
https://github.com/LoneGazebo/Community-Patch-DLL/issues/3901

Technoluddite · Jan 27, 2018

Infixo said:
What did you fix in Unit Path Viewer? Could it be related to freezes on barbarian turns?
https://github.com/LoneGazebo/Community-Patch-DLL/issues/3901

I don't think it's related to that. The main problem i fixed is its saving code potentially prevents other mods correctly saving their data (specifically any other mods using the TableSaverLoader library, such as civ linked generals).

Other than that a couple of nil reference bugs when the save data was corrupted, and the turn of arrival estimates being off by a factor of ten. Oh, and I removed some custom End-turn-blocking code, that didn't seem to be achieving anything.

None of that sounds like it relates to the linked bug though?

Infixo · Jan 27, 2018

akamal said:
Other than that a couple of nil reference bugs when the save data was corrupted, and the turn of arrival estimates being off by a factor of ten. Oh, and I removed some custom End-turn-blocking code, that didn't seem to be achieving anything.

nil references in Lua can have weird effects
"custom End-turn-blocking code" - you mean the human player couldn't end turn? Could it activate somehow during AI turn?

Technoluddite · Jan 27, 2018

I don't think it does anything on ai turns. Immediately on the player turn ending it writes it's data, but lua log will show how that took, usually less than a tenth on a second.

The end blocking code is doing something to determine whether the player should be allowed to end the turn (I've not figured out what). So if the end turn button is present and works, I doubt that is the problem.

Infixo · Jan 27, 2018

@akamal Thanks for explanations. Seems like not related.

Vaxman22 · Jan 28, 2018

LucidAPs said:
It doesn't seem like it's working properly for me, i am using small icons as instructed and a clean latest vp install with a few mods.

Spoiler :

I have the same issue as LucidAPs - Playing with the 12-15 version, used the installer and am using EUI, not using the 43 civ version

Technoluddite · Jan 28, 2018

ryanmusante said:
And Unit Path Viewer also, please.

UI - Promotion Tree and UI - Upgrade Tree, updated to work with EUI as well as standard game uploaded here:

UI - Promotion Tree (v16)
UI - Upgrade Tree (v9)

UnitPath will have to wait a while longer. While it works well enough that I'm happy using it myself, I want to have a few more games to make sure I've not broken anything before I'm comfortable with other people's games relying on it.

ryanmusante · Jan 28, 2018

akamal said:
UI - Promotion Tree and UI - Upgrade Tree, updated to work with EUI as well as standard game uploaded here:

Very kind, sir. Thank you much! :c5happy:

BTW, what options do you have set under 'zakUIOptions' ?

Infixo · Jan 28, 2018

Vaxman22 said:
I have the same issue as LucidAPs - Playing with the 12-15 version, used the installer and am using EUI, not using the 43 civ version

12-15 is incompatible. ICVv10 displays food consumed by specialists using a new function developed for a january release.
Please use at least 1-21.

@LucidAPs If you are using december VP...

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