Broken_Erika
Play with me.
That's because those wealthy men aren't using underage girls.
UK Politics IV - In Lies we Don't Truss
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EnglishEdward
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And how would we know that ?
Then again, are you confident that if he indeed is a paedophile (in Epsein's ring), the system in England would allow investigations to conclude that? I am not - far from it, actually.
He was openly and publicly accused of paedophilia, btw. The police just didn't feel like it had
EnglishEdward
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@ Samson
Your photograph tells us nothing about other wealthy men who may enjoy prostitutes.
Your photograph tells us nothing about other wealthy men who may enjoy prostitutes.
That is true, I had not quite got the gist of your post.
This book is in the news today, and seems relevant:
This book is in the news today, and seems relevant:
British authorities protected Prince Andrew from US prosecutors investigating his relationship with the financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, according to a new book by a US attorney who led the investigation in New York.
Geoffrey Berman was fired as US attorney for the southern district of New York (SDNY) in June 2020. He is now the author of Holding the Line: Inside the Nation’s Preeminent US Attorney’s Office and its Battle with the Trump Justice Department, a book published on Tuesday.
Berman says SDNY prosecutors were eager to talk to Andrew about his friendship with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s former girlfriend who in New York in June was sentenced to 20 years in prison on sex-trafficking charges.
Andrew, Berman writes, “stated publicly that he would co-operate with the investigation, and we intended to give him a chance to make good on his word”.
But though the prince “kept publicly saying that he was co-operating in the Epstein investigation”, Berman writes, that “was not true”.
Two New York prosecutors “spent about two weeks just trying to find out who his lawyers were”, Berman says. “We tried calling Buckingham Palace, and they were not helpful. We tried the Department of Justice attaché and state department, no luck. When we finally got to his lawyers, they had all these questions.”
Berman says “an endless email exchange” made it “clear we were getting the run-around” from lawyers who did not want the prince to talk to the SDNY about Epstein.
“He was not going to sit down with us,” Berman writes, “despite assuring the public that he was ready, willing and able to cooperate.”
The SDNY then tried to compel the prince to cooperate, using an M-LAT or “mutual legal assistance treaty” request via the US state department. Berman says such requests had always worked both ways before.
“But that was not what happened with Prince Andrew,” he writes. “We got absolutely nowhere. Were they protecting him? I presume someone was.”
In keeping with his other allegations about Trump administration interference in the SDNY, Berman also says the man who fired him, then US attorney general William Barr, saw the Epstein case as a useful pawn in a political game with the British government.
Barr, Berman writes, explained “that he saw our request to talk to Andrew as sort of a chit in a dispute with the British involving a US diplomat’s wife who had accidentally killed a 19-year-old British motorcyclist in an auto accident”.
Zardnaar
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Time and place for protests. Funerals not one of them imho.
As noted by a few posters already, this isn't just any funeral, but a state affair. Critique and protest has its place in those.
Besides, it's not like the subjects get to see the royal family from up close often.
Well i agree with Andrew Marr on all this. The guy who heckled Andrew was a pillock - Andrew was walking behind the coffin of his mother. There is a time and a place and that was most definitely not it. It should absolutely not be the case however that any of these people are either arrested, or worse, charged. It is peoples right to express their opinion. But they should be forewarned, particularly people like the Prince Andrew protestor. If you shout things or wave placards at moments some people deem inappropriate/offensive, then you may end up getting thumped. That’s called personal responsibility for your own actions. But you should have far more sympathy with people like the man in Oxford who yelled “who elected him” when Charles was pronounced king. He was arrested and then de arrested. And for the barrister who was warned if he held up a sign during Charles’s proclamation that stated “not my king”, he would also be arrested. There is also the case of the woman in Edinburgh as well. It wasnt long ago we were all scratching our heads at anti war protestors being arrested in Russia. And if we are not careful we will end up doing the same thing here. The people who have been charged should have those charges dropped against them.
Arresting people for criticising the monarchy will only damage it
ANDREW MARR: There is stern policing; and there is idiotic policing. On Sunday afternoon, a history tutor living in Oxford called Symon Hill was handcuffed for shouting 'who elected him?'
The queens funeral is next week. trundling the coffin around the country is not a funeral.
Zardnaar
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Technically yes but replace Queen with someone you like and far right protesters turn up.
The protests won't make people change their minds just gate you and your message.
As I've already said, replace "the Queen" with someone else and this procession wouldn't exist. It wouldn't get police protection. It wouldn't be able to divert traffic.
My goodness, the lengths people go to to pretend this isn't a lavish affair imposed on people by the monarchy, instead folks keep treating it like "well if you don't let the Royal Family do something, maybe next time you won't be able to". We know dude. We can't. We already can't. Get a better argument
I doubt David Attenborough (PBUH) will have far right protestors turn up to his funeral when it sadly happens.
Zardnaar
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Probably not but pretend he did get a lavish send off and protesters turned up
I'd think it absurd, I wouldn't want them arrested.
Zardnaar
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Depends if they get charged. Arrested and released probably fine.
Arresting people and then de-arresting them is clearly suppression of political speach without having to demonstrate a crime occurred. I think it is a travesty.
Zardnaar
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Disorderly conduct. Happens all the time here with loud drunks.
You get arrested spend the night in the cells released next day no charge. Sleep it off in the cells.
Think the arrest is disturbing the peace. Can also be used in things like loud parties etc. Noise control usually turns up and confiscates the stereo or breaks said party up.
Usually doesn't get a formal charge unless you're violents, flop your junk out etc.
And oddly enough that sort of nonsense charge is just the type ethnic minorities or others the police don't like get hit with.
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