Underrated philosophers

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I am reading Giambattista Vico's New Science and so far I thought he was quite good. Yet I had heard little of him until fairly recently. I thought E.F. Schumacher's work made after quitting economics (particularly A Guide for the Perplexed) was fairly good as well.

Any other thinkers anyone thinks are underrated?
 
Hm...

I can't think of any. I can think of a number of overrated ones :mischief:

Back in the Uni years i was always trying to pick courses and material which i already knew i would tend to like, but of those who i did not know before i cannot say that anyone made a positive impression. Bataille was probably the weirdest of the lot, a sort of catholic-porn i suppose..
 
Second post: I thought you only meant actual Philosophers (as in either termed so classically, or with a uni education/background in Philosophy). If you mean 'Thinkers' in general, then i can think of a few:

1) Borges

While very well-known as a short-story writer (mainly), i think he is not that known as a thinker. I don't agree with all his views (or supposed views, cause most of them appear in short story setting so who knows if they express him that much), but he was very able to create labyrinths in his work and what has later been termed a "hypertext", meaning in this case that the story exists in various levels and feeds more directly into the ambiguity of human thought in general (where is our thought based, below the conscious level?- etc).

2) I thought of some more names, but they are mostly writers who focused on style and description (which furthers the meaning of their stories), such as ETA Hoffmann or Robert Walser, the latter of which is quite less known than most authors of quality (he was a favorite of a number of famous 20th century writers).
 
Marx. He isn't taken nearly seriously enough, and self-described "Marxists" are if anything the worst offenders.
 
He isn't a philosopher, though. (edited cause i am not familiar with his specific materialistic views). At any rate 'materialism' or its branches are not a serious philosophy, cause they fail to even note that the observing intellect (human) is never actually linked to any 'reality' of the stuff he/she observes, cause they are only formed as phenomena in his human viewpoint and overall mentality.
Which is why despite various branching and poor reflections on idealism, the latter is needed in examining what it means to form a view or have a knowledge, etc.
 
Marx. He isn't taken nearly seriously enough, and self-described "Marxists" are if anything the worst offenders.

Actually, I think he is getting more attention than he deserves. I wouldn't say he is bad by any metric, even if I largely disagree with him, yet the name 'Marx' has become sort of an interjection. The kind of thing you mumble when you don't know to say anything useful, yet makes you sound educated.

I agree self-described 'Marxists' often do a very poor job of representing Marxism.

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He isn't a philosopher, though. (edited cause i am not familiar with his specific materialistic views). At any rate 'materialism' or its branches are not a serious philosophy, cause they fail to even note that the observing intellect (human) is never actually linked to any 'reality' of the stuff he/she observes, cause they are only formed as phenomena in his human viewpoint and overall mentality.
Which is why despite various branching and poor reflections on idealism, the latter is needed in examining what it means to form a view or have a knowledge, etc.
You're conflating materialism with material reductionism, and Marx was not a reductionist. His magnum opus, Capital, is in large part a phenomenological study.

Actually, I think he is getting more attention than he deserves. I wouldn't say he is bad by any metric, even if I largely disagree with him, yet the name 'Marx' has become sort of an interjection. The kind of thing you mumble when you don't know to say anything useful, yet makes you sound educated.

I agree self-described 'Marxists' often do a very poor job of representing Marxism.
That's part of what I mean, actually- Marx is invoked more often than he is actually read, and the blame for this lies mostly with Marxists, or at least Marxists in the Orthodox tradition. So much of what passes for "Marxist" writing is just generic leftism that quotes Marx to abnormal degree, the same way that Thatcherites like to quote Smith or Locke without ever really understanding them. (It's not so bad in academia, since the New Left gave itself permission to consult Marx without a stamp from the commissar, but how much of that actually escapes academia?) He's a name, for more people, rather than a philosopher, and I find hugely unsatisfactory, because whatever you think of his politics or his economics, this guy's work has a depth and breadth that very few other thinkers can match.
 
You're conflating materialism with material reductionism, and Marx was not a reductionist. His magnum opus, Capital, is in large part a phenomenological study.

In essence it is a rewording (or rewriting) of political economy. I would agree that Marx is largely ignored in philosophy - because he made little contribution to it. But he was treated (or rather, Marxism was, which was far more influential) in my philosophy class. I'm not sure why Marx should be rated as a philosopher in the first place: most of his writings (the Capital apart) focus on politics. Capital focuses on economics, and this was recognized by later economists. I don't think after his initial dabble in primarily German philosophy Marx gave the subject much attention. There are no philosophical writings left by him, and what he has said on the subject limits itself primarily to the perceived antithesis idealism-materialism, a subject long treated before him, but not much after. I'm sure Plotinus can say quite a bit more on this.
 
I have no idea how you people are defining "philosophy".
 
From antiquity the order of Philosophy (and the assorted 'sophists' which originally were not less prestigious than the other thinkers) dealt primarily with knowledge, man's viewpoint and the effect of the limits of it, studies of how a 'good' life can be had (eg ethics, temperance etc), physics (Artistotle wrote much later than Thales or even Anaxagoras), link between math and human logic, and many more specific thematologies.

After Aristotle there were more standard or noteworthy distinctions, primarily the one between physical and abstract philosophy (the latter termed 'metaphysical', but that was not meaning anything more than the book being the one after the Physics).

Christian philosophy for the longest time was theologic-centered (surprise). While Plato and Aristotle still were very significant, i have to suppose that the array of themes was quite limited (haven't really read much of christian philosophy, not even the Byzantine thinkers like Plethon Gemistos).

Descartes wrote some treatises on philosophy, meaning it as a new order along with his other innovations (cartesian axis etc). He also was dealing with other thematologies, such as medicine (iirc he had a false account of what role the heart plays in the human body?).

Philosophy seems to have taken a pretty sociological/political tone in England, due to most of the early (and probably more known) works of it there being politically themed, like the Leviathan and Utopia and other books which kill the reader by boredom :) (i still recall that i had to read som chapters of Leviathan..).

Probably the most detrimental figure for the popular concept of what Philosophy is, was a rather intelligent german who served briefly in the Franco-Prussian war. Nietzsche was not in reality a philosopher, but mostly a theorist of the genealogy of ethics. Most of the rest of his work is a polemic against Idealism, but it is striking that he managed to see so little in what he refers to by that term. At times it appears he can barely differentiate between Idealism and Religious faith in a seperate world or realm.

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In my view the order of Philosophy, while being of ill-repute by now (as it deserves, sadly), is clearly distinct from sociology, economic theory, religious critique, political treatise or other largely practical knowledge or examination. Heidegger had noted that the rest of Philosophy has been only a note on the works of it during Antiquity. I think that the most clear core of that order is tied to the examination of what makes a human distinct both from his environment, and his own deeper and not conscious mental existence.
 
Marx. He isn't taken nearly seriously enough, and self-described "Marxists" are if anything the worst offenders.

Right, because there aren't enough people completely obsessed with the man out there, and he wasn't treated as a demi-god by several regimes and hordes of followers.

Marx is the most overrated philosopher in human history.
 
Diogenes of Sinope.

Maybe Aldo Leopold, but that's stretching the definition of "philosopher." Or maybe not; he waxes philosophical in A Sand County Almanac, which all humans should read.
 
Right, because there aren't enough people completely obsessed with the man out there, and he wasn't treated as a demi-god by several regimes and hordes of followers.
Not at all. If anything, there are far too many. And here's the trick, which may or may not have occurred to you: demi-gods are not philosophers. Obsession is not respect. Invocation is not comprehension. That's why I say that, of all those responsible for reducing Marx to a caricature, a name, Marxists bear the greatest burden.

I mean, speaking for myself, I'm not a Marxist. I take Marx altogether too seriously.
 
studies of how a 'good' life can be had

It seems to me that Marx might, in his way, qualify under this aspect of the definition--at the least.
 
It seems to me that Marx might, in his way, qualify under this aspect of the definition--at the least.

Not in the main category of personal betterment (as opposed to reforming an entire social system). Likewise Plato's Republic is not a way to improve oneself primarily by self-work, but as an end result of a massive alteration of the actual political system.

Whereas many prominent philosophical schools (eg the stoics, or the epicurians etc) were about self-sustaining a good level of life, and most of the time they were focused on introversion. One of the greatest stoic philosophers was Epictetos, who famously argued (for the n-nth time in the Greek world, anyway) that people are not harmed by what happens to them as much than by how they deem that which happens to them.
 
Likewise Plato's Republic is not a way to improve oneself primarily by self-work, but as an end result of a massive alteration of the actual political system.

Right, but it's an undisputed work of philosophy, no? Anyway, you yourself broadened the field to "thinkers," so squabbling over Marx seems pointless (not least because you could hardly call him underrated as a thinker, even if he is, as per Traitorfish, insufficiently studied by those who cite him.)

Not going to say he's underrated, but I've had a little taste of Ficino recently and it makes me interested to follow up. I've got reasons for looking forward to Vico, too, Kaisergard, and your recommendation just bumped him up a few notches on my reading list.
 
Right, but it's an undisputed work of philosophy, no? Anyway, you yourself broadened the field to "thinkers," so squabbling over Marx seems pointless (not least because you could hardly call him underrated as a thinker, even if he is, as per Traitorfish, insufficiently studied by those who cite him.)
No, I really think you can. Marx may enjoy the near-bottomless admiration of the Marxist intellectual ghetto, but that doesn't translate into general appreciation. He's widely if grudgingly recognised as An Important Person, yes, but more for the historical impact of his work that on its merits. Outside of academia, he's not really taken any more seriously than Proudhon or Fourier or any other socialist thinker, he's just seen as the one who got lucky because he came along at the right time and/or sold his soul to Lucifer, depending on which side of the American border you're on.

I mean, I certainly don't think that Marx is forgotten, and certainly his name carries wider recognition that all but a handful of other philosophers. But that's not what underrated means, because recognition is only that, recognition, and tells us nothing about how seriously his ideas are taken.
 
I believe most Philosophers to be overrated. Most Philosophy is using big words for the sake of them to sound like they are speaking something great.

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